[Trak Ratt]

Originally Posted by HoodPin

... Recalls for me the days of SCCA Showroom Stock, where dealerships were building "ringer" engines by scouring the parts bins (literally thousands of parts...) for weight-matching engine parts (cranks, connecting rods, pistons, etc) to build a "blue print" motor withough doing any machining. Not possible for the backyard entrant.

I've done this! Though mostly with associations with recyclers and my own resources. Once weighed and measure 44 Chevy pistons, 36 rods, and dozens of rockers and lifters, and speced three 283 blocks to find a good match for a 301 project! Almost as many MGB parts for a killer autoX engine

Originally Posted by Dr K

... I think my annual budget the other years was in the quoted range above).

Us too but touch a wall on either or both sides and the cost goes up fast!

[N Fotouhi]

Originally Posted by Dr K

I think my annual budget the other years was in the quoted range above).

You must have accidently touched the computer screen with some brown stuff on your fingers and covered the "0" in $20-30K. You did not spend $20-30K much on your whole car. Come on man, you expect us to believe that you ever had a $20-30K annual budget just for racing. It's Halloween not April's fool

[Dr K]

I repeat, FUN.


One track weekend:
Gas to and back: $200
Lodging: $350
Meals: $150
Gas (track): $300
Share of brakes/rotors: $150
Share of oil/tranny fluid/brake fluid: $75
Tires: $1250
Event Registration: $550
MINIMUM cost: $3000

Average race-related repairs past 3 years (body work, engine dyno work, money shift, transmission rebuild (with Jeff S--thanks!))/3 years: $4600/year

(4 races X $3000) + $4600 = $16,600
Plus DEs, cost of car, cost of trailer, taking up 1/2 of my garage, and opportunity costs of wasting time replying to Nadir's posts...

[N Fotouhi]

Originally Posted by Dr K

I repeat, FUN.


One track weekend:
Gas to and back: $200
Lodging: $350
Meals: $150
Gas (track): $300
Share of brakes/rotors: $150
Share of oil/tranny fluid/brake fluid: $75
Tires: $1250
Event Registration: $550
MINIMUM cost: $3000

Average race-related repairs past 3 years (body work, engine dyno work, money shift, transmission rebuild (with Jeff S--thanks!))/3 years: $4600/year

(4 races X $3000) + $4600 = $16,600
Plus DEs, cost of car, cost of trailer, taking up 1/2 of my garage, and opportunity costs of wasting time replying to Nadir's posts...

Goading A$$M@n, Priceless. BTW, you could hit the $20-30K ANNUAL budget if you include the shop supplies and misc.

Back on topic. It sounds like whoever protested knew exactly how the engines were built, so perhaps they had one previously.

[captdownshift]

Originally Posted by N Fotouhi

Back on topic. It sounds like whoever protested knew exactly how the engines were built, so perhaps they had one previously.

This, our their engine was built by a previous employee of the engine builder who has now opened their own competing shop.

I miss the good ol' days when spec piñata was about ramming the opponent off track at 40mph, like bumper cars with hans devices, not building cheater motors to reach 80 by the end of the front straight.

[BlackTalon]

I call BS on Dr. K's numbers, as he does not use a full set of tires each race weekend.

[Vicegrip]

What he runs on 3 or something?

The more I have been reading up on this the less I think it is simply a badly laid out rule and more I think it is the motor blueprinters exploring the gray areas. The rule is not well done and lends itself to the Gray but some of the work done was outside the rule even if it could be reasoned that they were only cleaning up after a legal cut. Sounds like a bit more than cleaning up of swarf.

[racer]

If everyone is doing it, then isn't that the new "spec" ? Shame on the others for not exploiting the rules.

[Dr K]

I say if someone can build a faster car, move it up a class! (oops, sorry Ryan)

[junkyard_sal]

Post a link to what you read that convinced you that is was more then cleaning swarf...I am just being lazy and don't want to read 100 pages if someone can direct me to the insightful content.

Originally Posted by Vicegrip

What he runs on 3 or something?

The more I have been reading up on this the less I think it is simply a badly laid out rule and more I think it is the motor blueprinters exploring the gray areas. The rule is not well done and lends itself to the Gray but some of the work done was outside the rule even if it could be reasoned that they were only cleaning up after a legal cut. Sounds like a bit more than cleaning up of swarf.