[magnetic1]

update on the Swat FAIL with even more FAIL.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

[APKhaos]

Originally Posted by Vicegrip

They welded it back together too. IIRC I was a little surprised at the 3/4 around welds on the A and B pillar tubes. The metal had bee repainted but perhaps they finished them up later.

When I cut the roof off the old #11 to remove the cage, the number of members in the pillars surprised me. Its a fairly complex bunch of folded sections. Welding around the outside is not going to give anything like the structural strength of the original - not even close.

[HoodPin]

Originally Posted by APKhaos

When I cut the roof off the old #11 to remove the cage, the number of members in the pillars surprised me. Its a fairly complex bunch of folded sections. Welding around the outside is not going to give anything like the structural strength of the original - not even close.

True...but once you've introduced a full cage to a car, I'm guessing the original roof is no longer a primary element in the car's structure. The cage takes its place. But I would totally agree that a re-welded roof onto a cage-less car is a potential candidate for FAIL.

[Potomac-Greg]

Originally Posted by magnetic1

update on the Swat FAIL with even more FAIL.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

Wow. Stuff like this is important to remember as we feel tempted to give law enforcement authorities increasing power and discretion. They're human, and therefore prone to errors in judgment and power-intoxication. And the consequences can be tragic. Remember the dentist/bookie who got killed during a peaceful arrest? </sociology>

[Mike W]

Originally Posted by Potomac-Greg

Wow. Stuff like this is important to remember as we feel tempted to give law enforcement authorities increasing power and discretion.

Have you been paying attention?... that's all we've been doing over the past few decades (I realize you know this)

All I can say is wow. First I've heard of this. My favorite part is where police felt threatened by two labradors. What threat? Being licked?

[BlackTalon]

Originally Posted by Mike W

Have you been paying attention?... that's all we've been doing over the past few decades (I realize you know this)

All I can say is wow. First I've heard of this. My favorite part is where police felt threatened by two labradors. What threat? Being licked?

I've got to imagine they get all hyped up before entering a place, similar to the way coaches get HS football players worked into a frenzy. Not a good way to ensure minimal collateral damage.

[smdubovsky]

Originally Posted by Mike W

What threat? Being licked?

Not even that. The article states one was RUNNING AWAY!

[Potomac-Greg]

Originally Posted by BlackTalon

I've got to imagine they get all hyped up before entering a place, similar to the way coaches get HS football players worked into a frenzy. Not a good way to ensure minimal collateral damage.

That's exactly how that dentist/bookie got capped. He was surrendering to the SWAT team that had surrounded him and his home, and one tense officer with his finger on the trigger had a little oopsie.

[roundel]

Take your standard IQ=85, buzz cut, beat up a lot as a kid, po-po, and add an all black wannabe ninja outfit with bullet proof vest, knee pads, and a helmet, plus give him a couple of fire arms and you have a recipe for one over reacting hair trigger indiscriminate killer.

I don't envy the job of a SWAT dude, but lets reserve their use for when we want the targets really fuched up. Nabbing a big box of weed delivered in the mail doesn't seem to warrant this reaction. Maybe a response a bit closer to what Andy Griffith would have done would be a tad better.

[HoodPin]

Originally Posted by roundel

Take your standard IQ=85, buzz cut, beat up a lot as a kid, po-po, and add an all black wannabe ninja outfit with bullet proof vest, knee pads, and a helmet, plus give him a couple of fire arms and you have a recipe for one over reacting hair trigger indiscriminate killer.

I don't envy the job of a SWAT dude, but lets reserve their use for when we want the targets really fuched up. Nabbing a big box of weed delivered in the mail doesn't seem to warrant this reaction. Maybe a response a bit closer to what Andy Griffith would have done would be a tad better.

X2. I'm surprised they didn't wait to see what he might do with the package. Case would have been better if they had videotaped him thru the window making google eyes as he repackaged for further marketing and sales. What if he had called the cops instead to say he'd received a package that wasn't his?....