[N Fotouhi]

Originally Posted by Paddy

Looks like you made the PCA video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVIZs...ature=youtu.be

Ugh, I'm right at that mileage with 20k worth of track miles.

I'll jump in before Mark Lee does. Drive it like you stole it. Used engines are $6-8K. Rebuilts, not so cheap

[forklift]

Ryan, great post and enjoyed the vids.

Miscellaneous ramblings about G vs. H, I say stay in H. I moved to H because I realized my (untouched/unopened) motor with 0-1% leak downs couldn’t match rebuilt motors (whether legal with higher compression….or not legal). In H it seems that my car with a chip isn’t too far off the 996s and other prepared 964s and 993….pretty even actually from what I have seen so far, but that is only w/ 1.66 race weekends in H. I was as frustrated as Ryan was when I was at VIR when a certain G stock RSA crushed me on the back straight by probably 8 car lengths with me glued to his bumper coming out of Oak tree. I put my SW chip in the next morning for qualifying and H stickers and he was still slightly faster in a straight line but not by much. He was was as fast or faster than all of the H cars w/ a G stock RSA. I seemed to be pretty even with the H cars, though maybe a tad slower than the 996s (haven’t raced any Caymans yet). I’m sure there are faster H cars out there than the few I have raced but the competition seems to be more even in H so far….I’m sure that will change and I’ll come up against an insanely fast Cayman etc at some point but for now I’m happy with my decision to move to H.

The thing about H is that as of now, most of the 996s and Caymans are getting crate motors if they need a rebuild, not higher compression B&B rebuilds (which could change of course). I think most H stock 996s and Caymans run about 275 RWHP which puts the 996 P/W at around 11.12. My car w/ the chip is 263 RW at the last dyno w/ the chip which puts my p/w at 11.06. The big advantages the Caymans and the 996s have that I never will is better aero and suspension…..and gearing (I hate the RSA gearing, the only thing about the car I don’t like). However, G may start seeing more 04-07 Boxster S’s and base Caymans which will also have those advantages. I know the G stock records at Mosport and Lime Rock from last year are in some type of Boxster.

The issue of course with all PCA stock/prepared 993 is the weight but IMO, I don’t think it hampers it more or less in H vs. G. Plus Ryan would need to take out the R&P which would be pricey and change brakes and go back to the stock chip (don’t know about wheels)……..and remove the GD wing element.

Another reason I like H is that the fields are consistently bigger in H, usually twice the size of G from what I’ve seen although the Potomac G class is strong and getting stronger. I guess if I wanted to rebuild my perfectly good motor with a complete B&B the car would have been more competitive in G but that makes no sense.

I’m looking forward to seeing what gains I’ll make (hopefully!) running wider wheels/tires and bigger brakes I just got for H. Now I just need a R&P (esp for the Glen)….maybe next year.

Ryan, maybe when you get your rebuild or newsed motor your car will be more evenly matched in H….or in G if you remove all your H stuff. The H 993 I raced at the Summit race seemed to be pretty close to my car from what I remember.

All that said, air cooled cars are or becoming vintage cars and the newer cars will usually have several advantages. This isn’t as much an issue in E and below as the newer cars have too much HP (but is and will be in F an above).

[N Fotouhi]

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Good points Jim. I still believe that being 260 lbs lighter than 993 and 150 lbs lighter than 996 is the trump card of RSA in H.

[antonioconceicao]

Fix that for you he will need to be at 290 hp on H, nitros, cams etc etc

Ryan did you get your old engine dyno ???

Originally Posted by N Fotouhi

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Good points Jim. I still believe that being 304lbs lighter than 993 and 150 lbs lighter than 996 is the trump card of RSA in H.

[N Fotouhi]

Originally Posted by antonioconceicao

Fix that for you he will need to be at 290 hp on H, nitros, cams etc etc

Ryan did you get your old engine dyno ???

You Rookies crack me up. I thought that Ryan's car was a 95 which is listed in the rule book at 3170lbs. You looked at 96-98 993 weight of 3214.

[Vicegrip]

IIRC Ryan's car is a 96 or newer. It has a varoram motor which started in 96.

[911pete]

I drive a 993 in H. They are really just too heavy. I'm giving up 250 lbs to the RS Americas that have basically the same horsepower. Same with the 996's. A 3.4 liter 996 is the best car for the class. Last year at the Glen race my best time in my 993 was low 2:11's I drove my friends 996 in the enduro and did a 2:09.2 or so. Same driver, so I would say the 996 is at least 2 seconds per lap faster at a track like WG.

Pete

[forklift]

Hey Pete,

Your 993 was the one I was referring to in my post above....I thought we were pretty even going down the straight at Summit IIRC.

I agree with the 993 weight problem....but think that problem is the same in G or H with about the same disadvantage in each class (just different cars to compete against) and since Ryan's car is already built for H, I would leave it is as is....but just IMO.....and petition PCA rules (again) to lower 993 weights.

I also agree that the 3.4 996 is the car to have in H...or a Cayman....or a US 964 Cup which can run at 2,834 with driver....not a RSA or 993, but those are the cars we have. I do think the RSA / 964 is a great car to have in G but find my car is more competitive in H with the unrebuilt motor w/ a chip.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by forklift

Another reason I like H is that the fields are consistently bigger in H, usually twice the size of G from what I’ve seen although the Potomac G class is strong and getting stronger. I guess if I wanted to rebuild my perfectly good motor with a complete B&B the car would have been more competitive in G but that makes no sense.

All that said, air cooled cars are or becoming vintage cars and the newer cars will usually have several advantages. This isn’t as much an issue in E and below as the newer cars have too much HP (but is and will be in F an above).

Yes, I'm going to stay in H conceding the car on big tracks (WG and Sebring) I will be out for the racing not podium. But I picked the 993 to drive an old car and have a lot of competition. 6 cars all qualifying within 4/10ths made for some fun racing.

Originally Posted by 911pete

I drive a 993 in H. They are really just too heavy. I'm giving up 250 lbs to the RS Americas that have basically the same horsepower. Same with the 996's. A 3.4 liter 996 is the best car for the class.

Agree 100%. I think at end of year we need to get you me and Mark in B. to petition PCA CR for a lower class weight for the 993s. Even with a fresh rebuild the my 993 motor will probably only put 5-10hp more than a 964 but have to run 250lb more.

[Mark in Baltimore]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Yes, I'm going to stay in H conceding the car on big tracks (WG and Sebring) I will be out for the racing not podium. But I picked the 993 to drive an old car and have a lot of competition. 6 cars all qualifying within 4/10ths made for some fun racing.



Agree 100%. I think at end of year we need to get you me and Mark in B. to petition PCA CR for a lower class weight for the 993s. Even with a fresh rebuild the my 993 motor will probably only put 5-10hp more than a 964 but have to run 250lb more.

I'm going to be only worried about B class. I haven't been on the track in such as long time, I'm concerned that I'll be lucky to hit a 27.