[Vicegrip]

Simple basic. If someone is behind you for more than a few turns give him a pass and just enough lift to get him by.

Advanced. Do the above but in corners.

Optional. Get your pass before you let the guy that came up behind you pass and get between you and "I think I can, I think I can" if you pull out from behind before getting a point the guy might muff the timing looking for you while you are in his blind spot. 1/2 a car in ether mirror. Look to make eye contact in mirrors if posable.

This is not something that is new, confined to Potomac, confined to the Black group or ever going to change in great measure on its own.

I was in Black for many years and watched it transform from the present Red like group to one that has many cars and a much wider range of skills and heads up levels than in the earlier years.

A move to Black or Red should be provisional. You get an X just like in CR. A real one or just on paper. Be Thomas the Train engine and you get to take one step back after getting reported by enough non X holders. Non X holders have a duty to note poor passing methods on the upper run groups.

It is not hard to see trains from pit out or the grandstands. Park a guy with a radio i the grandstands and have him call some numbers to be black flagged. I have been in plenty of trains in the 912. Far more in the later years when the Black numbers swelled. This started well before the present group running DE was in charge.

[Fairfax 944]

Thanks for posting the video of about 8 laps of my car (the silver 944 turbo).

Bob was behind me for most of the session, but since I was being held up by the cars in front of me I didn't throw Bob a pass. (Note to self: learn which cars the chief-instructors drive and let those guys by whenever they are behind, regardless of the traffic in front). Once traffic was open, I did throw the pass to Bob probably one corner to late, sorry.

But for those laps that I was held up in traffic, and didn't know how fast or slow the cars were behind me, was I wrong not throwing a pass to the guy behind me? I don't think so, because I didn't know if the person behind me was faster or slower as the pace was quite slow.

Enjoy Porschefest. I'm sitting this one out; the heat was a little too much for me in July.

[good hands]

Also please be aware that if there is a car behind you with a really cool paint job and has like really cool permanent numbers and racing stripes on it... it's probably a race car driver and not just a DE driver. We are faster and superior drivers than average DE guys so please be courteous. We are fast. Early signals are appreciated....

[MLIN]

Jim brought up a very good point. Just because you are in a train stuck behind a slower car doesn't mean you cannot give a point-by to someone faster (that is if you recognize the car) behind you. This will help the flow once the conductor of the train finally realizes and points everyone by.

Bob, you need to put some more decals on your car.

[Trak Ratt]

Originally Posted by good hands

Also please be aware that if there is a car behind you with a really cool paint job and has like really cool permanent numbers and racing stripes on it... it's probably a race car driver and not just a DE driver. We are faster and superior drivers than average DE guys so please be courteous. We are fast. Early signals are appreciated....

Pleeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................

[Vicegrip]

Originally Posted by MLIN

Jim brought up a very good point. Just because you are in a train stuck behind a slower car doesn't mean you cannot give a point-by to someone faster (that is if you recognize the car) behind you. This will help the flow once the conductor of the train finally realizes and points everyone by.

Bob, you need to put some more decals on your car.

I agree with that in part. On one hand why should you keep getting bumped further back from getting a hard earned pass from the slug than the guy that is behind you primarily because you got held up by the missing mirror slug? Perhaps it should read "well faster than you" I have seen were letting others pass has only reinforced the poor thinking on the part of the front man and made the lines longer for it. The in part part. If you are a train of 2 or 3 cars that are of a similar speed overall and a rocket appears behind you give a pass. No sense in spreading the misery around. OTOH not doing so sure will make for more "conversations" at pit out and that might get sideline based enforcement up a notch.




Trains have and will be a persistent issue as they form out of human nature. The only way to combat them is vigilance in training, more use of mirrors, less use of ego, better observation from the sidelines and.

As to extended passing. IIRC it has always been taught as optional to give passes in corners. Some might not always be comfortable taking or giving a pass to an unknown car/driver and or in some corners. I know, I know, You will loose the DE and a also your shot at the contingency tires by waving off a mid corner pass now and then. Not giving a pass in a corner to an unknown car is no excuse at all not to give one at the next straight.



All in all trains are less an issue with Potomac than some other groups I have been slumming with.

I like the tarted up fancy boy cars with all the funny numbers and letters on em'. The colors make purdty lines and swirls when you go by them.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by whitecar

So.. might see more of this type of video when available, but it only will help if I can track down a similar session in RED where it seems to work better.

Bob- Here's a section of video showing some good cooperation in Red. Shows sharing a turn in T10, T1 (not me but 2 other cars) T3, then T4.

Untitled on Vimeo

Untitled on Vimeo

[MLIN]

In Evan's vid, the problem is beyond extended passing. The first couple of cars at the front didn't have the awareness to notice (or chose to ignore) a long train building behind them for multiple corners and straights.

[FTS]

Ryan, is the video actually there?

[FTS]

Originally Posted by Vicegrip

A move to Black or Red should be provisional. You get an X just like in CR. A real one or just on paper. Be Thomas the Train engine and you get to take one step back after getting reported by enough non X holders. Non X holders have a duty to note poor passing methods on the upper run groups.

I really like this idea actually.