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DDD 09-01-2009 12:25 PM

Maybe Porsche can make a real station wagon now!!!!!

CMOS 09-01-2009 12:38 PM

It's got to hurt current sales of the Panamera and Cayenne once potential buyers hear that the cars are going to be phased out. That immediately signals two things: (1) Parts are going to be a pain in the arse to get, (2) resale will be in the toilet.

Granted, most people who buy either of those cars are not worried about what will happen to the value of the car years down the road, but it just creates a huge issue that isn't there with other cars.

Go get an X5, or M5, or one of the many MB offerings, and you won't have to worry about buying the first year of production of a car that is already going out of production.

HateDCRoads 09-01-2009 12:51 PM

I am somewhat conflicted - while I am glad of the return to Sportstcar focus, with VW calling the shots, do we really think they are going to leave our beloved 911s, Boxsters, and Caymans unmolested? The following sentence at the end of the article was a little disturbing:

"Despite the thinning of the ranks, VW is said to be working on a new entry-level vehicle for Porsche. As previously reported, the new model would slot beneath the Porsche Boxster and share its underpinnings with a production version of the VW Bluesport concept."

Because nothing gets me more excited than a Diesel 911! Or just imagine the throaty wail from a mid-engine Diesel Boxster! And note - it isn't Porsche working on an entry level, but VW - at least the 924 was designed by Porsche for VW, not the other way around!

As for Motorsports, Porsche has been competitive - the only reason the P2 Spyder wasn't on the podium three years ago in the LMS and ALMS series was because Porsche's VW/Audi cousins used their financial clout to get ACO to tip the rules toward the diesels.

BlackTalon 09-01-2009 12:55 PM

Geeze, who gives a fuch if Porsche makes Cayennes, etc.? As long as they still make 911s and Gaymens, all will be well in the world.

I think a lot of the bitching about Porsche 'straying from it's roots' is from people who care more about what others think when they say "Oh, well I have a Porsche" then anything else, 'cause they want the person they are bragging to to know they are a Serious Sportscar Owner and not a minivan drover...

Potomac-Greg 09-01-2009 01:30 PM

It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the Lambo, Porsche and Audi R8 overlap. Truly the R8 is as off-pitch to Audi as the Cayenne is to Porsche (disregarding the racing heritage that Audi has built up around the "R" brand). But they can't just move Porsche over to the R8 platform without losing the faithful. The VW team has a wealth of options available to them.

You also can't expect the Audi Q7 to take up all the lost sales on the Cayenne. It's just a different image. While killing the Cayenne is a clean move for Porsche, I think that move will cost VW money.

HoodPin 09-01-2009 01:50 PM

I dunno......a turbo-diesel Boxster with 500 ft/lbs of torque could be an interesting ride. :p

markwemple 09-01-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Potomac-Greg (Post 277520)
It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the Lambo, Porsche and Audi R8 overlap. Truly the R8 is as off-pitch to Audi as the Cayenne is to Porsche (disregarding the racing heritage that Audi has built up around the "R" brand). But they can't just move Porsche over to the R8 platform without losing the faithful. The VW team has a wealth of options available to them.

You also can't expect the Audi Q7 to take up all the lost sales on the Cayenne. It's just a different image. While killing the Cayenne is a clean move for Porsche, I think that move will cost VW money.

The R8 is a very different car than the 911 and I don't see any conflict there. As for racing. CAreful. Audi dominated rallying in the early 80s and was also a leader in grand prix racing in the 30s. Not as great a sports car heritage as Porsche but all who love WRX STIs and the such can thank Audi.
Heck, maybe we can blame Audi for the growth of the SUV movement, after all, Jeep wasn't growing by leaps and bounds until the birth of the quattro and Subaru was just a small quirky Japanese car maker in the early 80s.

markwemple 09-01-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ986S (Post 277533)
I dunno......a turbo-diesel Boxster with 500 ft/lbs of torque could be an interesting ride. :p

I bet they could get closer to 650. Heck the R15 is in the 1000-1100 range I think. Although, has anyone tried producing a diesel pancake outside of Subaru?

markwemple 09-01-2009 02:02 PM

Well, I checked and the R15 spec is nM not lb/ft. Oh well about 775 then.

DDD 09-01-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackTalon (Post 277511)
Geeze, who gives a fuch if Porsche makes Cayennes, etc.? As long as they still make 911s and Gaymens, all will be well in the world.

I think a lot of the bitching about Porsche 'straying from it's roots' is from people who care more about what others think when they say "Oh, well I have a Porsche" then anything else, 'cause they want the person they are bragging to to know they are a Serious Sportscar Owner and not a minivan drover...

The only interesting Porsche right now is the GT3.

As usual you are just playing a losing hand with the devil's advocate stuff.


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