[Trak Ratt]

Anybody hear anything about a meeting between the PCAPotomac leadership and the Dorki to discuss “cultivate our relationship”? It’s in the minutes on the PCAP site.

[cmartin]

Good find... http://pcapotomac.org/pca/bmm/minutes_2005_02.pdf

[APKhaos]

Originally Posted by david riley

“cultivate our relationship”?

Cultivate the relationship? It already growing strong and deep. Something about not fixing something that is not broken comes to mind.

The Dorki represents a large group of dedicated Porche lovers who happen to have a wrenching bent and are rapidly developing [nah, its already happened] a serious track habit. Can't think of better news for the Potomac region. Healthy growth of grass roots wrenchers and track hounds upholds the core traditions of the club. Hail Dorki!!

[michael lang]

Cultivate our relationship, what the hell's that supposed to mean? After reading through the minutes of the PCA meeting, I thought I was at an HOA meeting!

Mike

[APKhaos]

Originally Posted by michael lang

Cultivate our relationship, what the hell's that supposed to mean? After reading through the minutes of the PCA meeting, I thought I was at an HOA meeting!

Mike

Thats a bit rough, Mike.
Potomac has north of 2000 member, a very active calendar of events, a substantial budget to manage, a massive DE program to manage, and on top of that we have Porsche Parade happening next door in PA this year. The people that make all this happen work hard and long to do it, and there aren't many of them.

Anyone who has participated in a few DE programs will soon figure out that Potomac runs one the best organised DE operations around. It takes lots of smart and dedicated volunteer people working very hard to make that happen.

We Dorki have something very cool going on, but many of us also appreciate that we have a terrific PCA region as well.

Disclosure: I'm just a member - no association with the Board of PCAP

[}{arlequin]

the last time I cultivated, I had enough for 3 short-term, fun-but-volatile relationships

God I love naughty girls... especially when you tap into what
makes them _ _ck........ (that's "tick" to you pervs)

[APKhaos]

Originally Posted by }{arlequin

the last time I cultivated, I had enough for 3 short-term, fun-but-volatile relationships

Hey Dave, is that what 'slash and burn' agriculture really means??

[little b]

i appreciate and respect the PCA. there's alot of volunteer work that goes on there! and there's alot of politics that can't be avoided.
I don't belong to the PCA. YET. if i can finally GET TO doing DE's then it will be unavoidable.
for now i help out here when i can, and benefit ALOT from all your help.
but we here are dorki. we exist because we want to.
where are our bylaws? our charter? we don' need no stinking charter!
we knows our mediators wear the pants. and if it's no fun, then we wouldn't be here. and they won't keep it going.
K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid...)

of course the PCA recognizes us. we have porsches right?

[michael lang]

Tony

I didn't mean that in a demeaning way. I was only comparing the PCA minutes to an HOA minutes. I have not participated in any DE's yet but I am fully aware that anything that is done by PCAPotomac is done primarily by people like you and me and is 100% volunteer. I am grateful for these people's time.

Mike

[Vicegrip]

You might not want to read more into this than it is. I think it is little more that an offshoot of a conversation.

Originally Posted by little b

there's alot of politics that can't be avoided.

I don't belong to the PCA. YET. if i can finally GET TO doing DE's then it will be unavoidable.

for now i help out here when i can, and benefit ALOT from all your help.
but we here are dorki. we exist because we want to.
where are our bylaws? our charter? we don' need no stinking charter!

Don’t think I am picking on you little B your post just had some points I had questions about. Other posts did as well but you were able to get them all together. I post this only as I have some limited experience with both and want to share my perspective. As tech chair I am on the board but in reality am but a flea on the camel and plan to stay that way.

For an all volunteer group I have seen a lot less politics that folks might think. People volunteer for many reasons some good some not so good. The people that sign up for the wrong or self serving reasons can be a source of irritation but they tend to leave after a while. From my experience PCA Potomac is not HOA-hole land.

PCA need bylaws and a charter. Dorkiphus does not need a charter because Dorki don’t (yet ) do things on the scale that PCA does. Potomac alone runs a DE program that extends well into the hundreds of thousands of dollars and is planned out years in advance. The wrangling to get track contracts alone is a story in itself. Ask Doug E or Vu what goes into something like a fun run or a Dorki dinner. Time spent ,effort spent, money spent. Both guys put in a lot of effort, it shows and they deserve accolades for it as we all benefited from it. Now expand that out 100 fold plus and have everything continue even if the original volunteer decides to move onto new things. What would happen if Geoff had to stop hosting Dorkiphus? Who would pick up the work involved and pay for hosting it? This entire group exists from one source point, a single website. Friendships would continue but the underling energy might not.

If you think about it, Dorkiphus and PCA are the same thing at different ages. They both exist only because they want to and have similar roots. PCA was formed in 1955 by a gang of P car nuts right here in this area. They formed it to have a way to get together help each other wrench, share parts, tools and know how. Not having the internet (Al Gore had not invented it just yet) they formed a club. As an example, the Goodie Store. It is now is a vestigial appendix of PCA but in 1955 parts were hard to come by and without website part houses, shops or dealers in the area, the early members banded together to get parts and tools for their, in 1955, odd little cars. Sound familiar?

I see PCA as merely Dorkiphus having grown to a much larger scale via past success and the passage of time. It has the good and bad that comes along with being big. Being large and well run PCA can plan and run very complex programs like DE or Club Race that continue year in and year out. With that comes some boring monthly meetings that are needed to keep things running and a fathead or two now and then.

I am curious as to why some folks knock PCA as vehemently as is they do. Are there reasons or is it just fun to knock anything big? I also find it interesting that some people that have no direct experience with PCA have a bad impression. How does this impression come about? Contact with members? Projection? I used to be in a Dive club because I like offshore wreck salvage, the clubs were the only way to get to the deep wrecks and the deep wrecks are the ones that are not picked over. I was not a club or fraternity kind of person and I hated the Dive club. Some of the guy’s heads were so fat I don’t see how they ever got submerged. The fathead to OK guy ratio was poor to say the least. I was reluctant to join PCA as I projected that it was going to be more Dive club BS but it has not been the case.

Two questions and some thread theft at that.

What do any Dorki like about PCA? What do any Dorki dislike and why?

Using the HOA infiltrate and improve protocol, you have the power to improve Potomac too.