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Old 05-02-2013, 10:52 AM
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Very, very true.

If your son/daughter has that happen, gently remind them that they can always sit through a light or wait a little longer at the stop sign and make that super-important person wait a bit more.
There's the issue. While we all want to do that when somebody gets behind us like that, I don't think you want to teach your new-driver child to play games with a car.
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Congrats on the get Karl!

FWIW, consider making some magnetic "STUDENT DRIVER" signs to put on the car during training sessions. I find that info to be very helpful & calming whenever I see it.
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There's the issue. While we all want to do that when somebody gets behind us like that, I don't think you want to teach your new-driver child to play games with a car.
I'm not sure I'd call the suggestion a game -- that's not quite what I meant. If the new driver is flustered and/or nervous, they should wait. Mr or Mrs Superimportant can go around if they like.

Part of the problem with new drivers being bullied is that they forget they don't HAVE to go if they aren't ready. Pulling out into traffic is always optional. Going faster is a decision that is theirs to make. Letting someone make you go before you're ready (or feel capable of going) is forever a bad decision.

Playing games with the car is telling your kid to put the car in reverse and edge toward the person honking at them. Or waiting 'til the light turns yellow and flooring it through the intersection.

Mostly, if your kid shows the sort of restraint where they can calmly collect themselves at a light and drive without panicking, they're WAY ahead of where I was at 16.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:56 PM
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Very, very true.

If your son/daughter has that happen, gently remind them that they can always sit through a light or wait a little longer at the stop sign and make that super-important person wait a bit more.
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I'm not sure I'd call the suggestion a game -- that's not quite what I meant. If the new driver is flustered and/or nervous, they should wait. Mr or Mrs Superimportant can go around if they like.

Part of the problem with new drivers being bullied is that they forget they don't HAVE to go if they aren't ready. Pulling out into traffic is always optional. Going faster is a decision that is theirs to make. Letting someone make you go before you're ready (or feel capable of going) is forever a bad decision.

Playing games with the car is telling your kid to put the car in reverse and edge toward the person honking at them. Or waiting 'til the light turns yellow and flooring it through the intersection.

Mostly, if your kid shows the sort of restraint where they can calmly collect themselves at a light and drive without panicking, they're WAY ahead of where I was at 16.
What you're saying the second time is on the money, but that's not what you said before. Waiting longer at a light is not "calmly collecting themselves"--you suggested making the person behind "wait a bit more" implying doing it on purpose. Not the same, and the first suggestion would be seen by most as playing games.
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What you're saying the second time is on the money, but that's not what you said before. Waiting longer at a light is not "calmly collecting themselves"--you suggested making the person behind "wait a bit more" implying doing it on purpose. Not the same, and the first suggestion would be seen by most as playing games.
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I'm not sure I'd call the suggestion a game -- that's not quite what I meant. If the new driver is flustered and/or nervous, they should wait. Mr or Mrs Superimportant can go around if they like.

Part of the problem with new drivers being bullied is that they forget they don't HAVE to go if they aren't ready. Pulling out into traffic is always optional. Going faster is a decision that is theirs to make. Letting someone make you go before you're ready (or feel capable of going) is forever a bad decision.

Playing games with the car is telling your kid to put the car in reverse and edge toward the person honking at them. Or waiting 'til the light turns yellow and flooring it through the intersection.

Mostly, if your kid shows the sort of restraint where they can calmly collect themselves at a light and drive without panicking, they're WAY ahead of where I was at 16.
Well said, game or not, if you're pressured into a bad decision, you own the consequences ..
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What you're saying the second time is on the money, but that's not what you said before. Waiting longer at a light is not "calmly collecting themselves"--you suggested making the person behind "wait a bit more" implying doing it on purpose. Not the same, and the first suggestion would be seen by most as playing games.
I could have phrased it better the first time, no question. This is why i don't make my living writing!

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I could have phrased it better the first time, no question. This is why i don't make my living writing!
I could have phrased mine a little nicer, too...
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Nice get Karl.

I bought my first BMW an E30 1990 325Ix 5M in 1993 with 26k miles on it. Still have it with 225k. Great car that has taken me through all kinds of blizzards in Montreal, Pennsylvan-er, VT, ME, etc...

Was very good in the snow but not as good in the DEEP stuff (6" +) like my '84 Cj-7 jeep or '87 Ford Bronco XLT.

DIY maintenance is easy and relatively cheap.

I 2nd checking out e46fanatics.com
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While we all want to do that when somebody gets behind us like that, I don't think you want to teach your new-driver child to play games with a car.
x2! and if you do teach your kids to play games with vehicles, make sure they understand that the guy with the big truck usually wins. i have found i can pull out quickly in front of people when i'm driving my F350 dually and they always slow to avoid me and let me in. i had a client once who took it to another level: some jerk behind him was giving him a hard time, so he put his truck into reverse backed up and smashed into the front of the guy's car, then told the cops and insurance that the guy in back had rear-ended him. but these are games for adults, not kids.
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