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Old 04-19-2013, 02:06 PM
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Look at a 10+ year old Volvo S70. Not too much power, front wheel drive, built like a brick shitehouse. Great transport, mechanically strong, cheap to repair, and lots of cheap body panels.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:36 PM
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Thanks for the feed back it has been an interesting search trying to make both Nancy and Patrick happy.

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Nice car. But don't know what price is involved. IMHO (humblest, off course...) it might be a bit too nice for a new driver. Plus, I'd be a bit concerned about "Bimmer" shop repair costs. Even though it may not have a lot of miles, its already an 11 year old car.

For the money, I'd be looking at a cheaper, easier/cheaper to repair beater car. I continue to be a big fan of the Ford Focus. Tough, roomy, relatively easy to repair. And with a 2nd set of cheap, skinny wheels with winter tires, its pretty damn capable in the snowy stuff. 2002 4-door model (ZX5) available for $5K and under.
It is a bit nice for a new driver but Nancy will use it as well so nice was a requirement.

If you have ever driven in the snow belt pretty damm capable just does not cut it, AWD is the price of admission. Four feet of snow in April is not out of the question.

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Kool kid test? When I was 16, I would have been happy to drive a pink Gremlin so long as I was driving. I'll echo the comments about others of body damage being probable for the 1st year or two. I hope to find a Corsica or something similar when my boys are old enough.
The kool kid test was for dad so the boy keeps his paws off of the 14's

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I see it every day in my business. I'd say the probability is 60 to 70% a kid beteween the ages of 16 and 20 will have some kind of incident during those years.

I'd go for something safe that does not need collision coverage. I'd also tell them if they total it that it will be the last car I will buy . The next one is on them.
If we add him as an occasional drover on the VW with all of the discounts grades, drivers ED etc. the cost of adding collision was only a few hundred more per year and he is covered on all of our cars
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I smashed my moms Corolla into the back of a pickup during a light snow storm. I was fuching around. Folks made me pay out of pocket for both (her and truck) repairs. I was 16.

Totaled a Camry when making U-turn and did not see/look for oncoming vehicles. Camry was a wash and folks again made me pay for damage to the other vehicle. 17 y.o.

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Old 04-19-2013, 03:08 PM
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Thanks for the feed back it has been an interesting search trying to make both Nancy and Patrick happy.

It is a bit nice for a new driver but Nancy will use it as well so nice was a requirement.
Tell your wife this is better all around, then do the right thing - get him something less expensive, and after a year sell it and get something better.

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If you have ever driven in the snow belt pretty damm capable just does not cut it, AWD is the price of admission. Four feet of snow in April is not out of the question.
This won't drive through 4' of snow, either. I had a FWD Audi Fox in the 70s, snow tires (not nearly as good as today's snow tires). Drove through 18" of snow (not plowed but partially packed down) and had to back around entire blocks where 4WD Jeeps had gotten stuck - but I got there. I recommend FWD and "winter tires" even for the snow belt, and put the money you save on gas, cost of the car, etc. into teaching the kid to drive in the snow.

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If we add him as an occasional drover on the VW with all of the discounts grades, drivers ED etc. the cost of adding collision was only a few hundred more per year and he is covered on all of our cars
The inexpensive collision coverage will get expensive mightly quickly if you use it once when the boy does something we are all telling you is expensive.

Hey Karl, or should I say "Irfan." Why ask for advice if you're going to ignore ALL of it?
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:14 PM
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Hey Karl, or should I say "Irfan." Why ask for advice if you're going to ignore ALL of it?
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My daughter is getting her first car (aka I'm getting my daughter her first car), and I'm leaning heavily toward a car that was virtually invisible to me until I started looking. It literally hurts to say it, but the Jeep Patriot is a heck of a value, and has everything you want for a first time driver. First and foremost, it's cheap as dirt. You can have A/C, 6 speed auto trans, power windows and bluetooth for under $19,000 brand new (with warranty). It gets good safety ratings. It's s-l-o-w. To get a kid (or three) to school and to swim/track practice, it's hard to beat. Don't ask me why, but my daughter also likes the way it looks.

No doubt EVERY car in its size class is more sophisticated and polished, and I'm pretty sure it never won a comparo in the car magazines, but the superior cars cost $5-10,000 more when equipped apples-to-apples. Drivetrain is a Hyundai-based 2.0 liter with a legit 6-speed auto trans.
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May I suggest a Mk4 Golf(4 doors) or possibly a B6 Audi. Safe, relatively reliable and rather inexpensive.
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.......If you have ever driven in the snow belt pretty damm capable just does not cut it, AWD is the price of admission. Four feet of snow in April is not out of the question......
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......This won't drive through 4' of snow, either. I had a FWD Audi Fox in the 70s, snow tires (not nearly as good as today's snow tires). Drove through 18" of snow (not plowed but partially packed down) and had to back around entire blocks where 4WD Jeeps had gotten stuck - but I got there. I recommend FWD and "winter tires" even for the snow belt, and put the money you save on gas, cost of the car, etc. into teaching the kid to drive in the snow......
My son's Focus is a beast in the snow when fitted with the 15x5 rims and Vrederstein snows. We had a similar setup on a 1983 Rabbit GTI, and it too would blast through the snow. Don't underestimate narrow rims & proper snow tires on a FWD.
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Ehem, AWD is not a necessity. I lived in New England for years and have never really needed AWD. Buy an extra set of wheels with snow tires instead.

Our current "snow car", an '05 E46 325i is UNBELIEVABLE in the snow when shod with snow tires. Seriously. I've driven through many a blizzard with that car.

Prior to the BMW I drove a '98 Passat (FWD) and a '95 4Runner. Guaranteed, the Bimmer (and possibly the Passat) are fantastically better in the snow than that 4x4 4Runner.
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Since Ben lives in Cleveland and the Prius with all-seasons was...er...less than safe on the snow, we decided to buy Ben winter tires. We got the highly-rated Michelin X-Ice tires and some spare wheels, BOTH on sale, through Tire Rack, and buying together they mount and balance them for you. One of the wheels had a blemish on the allow (like curb rash, but not) and they offered to either replace or give us half-off on that wheel (the wheels, on sale, were only $70 each). We took the half-off and the entire deal ended up being about $600 for 4 wheels and 4 tires. He leaves them in Mark Hendrickson's garage (PCA instructor - some on the board know him) in the summer. Perhaps that would be out of the way from Silver Spring, though...
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