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To Instruct or NOT Instruct
I pretty much know my personal answer, but curious to see what the peanut gallery thinks. Considering going to Pitt Race for the first time (since my work schedule allows it finally). Do instructors usually sign up to instruct on new to them tracks??? I feel like I would be learning the track myself and wasting a student's time until I got comfortable with the line. I know there are vids and tutorials, and there is more than just the line to instruct, but...
Any opinions?
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Turning good track cars into other people's headaches since 1990 Denis Jenkins (PCA'86) 95 318ti S54 97 318ti S52 95 M3 S54 vin 00067 87 RX7 ITS 02 330i 98 328i 71 911T 70 Karmann Ghia, 96 f350 7.3 available Gone 4 356's,1 996, 4 911's, 1 912, 2 Boxster S, 5 914's, 3 944's, 3 951, 1 924S, 3 95 m3, 03 M3,95 Ti/CS. 97M345, 84 rx7chump car, ITB gti 21, ITB GTI 48, 89 325is s52,07 Z4 coupe, 69 Charger General Lee, 2 66 Cadillac verts, 1 68 cadillac vert, and many many others |
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I would if the organization would assign me a first timer. there is so much for them to learn, the specifics of the track are not as important.
but, for the student and my own survival in the instructor group, I would spend a lot of time beforehand reviewing other's incar videos.
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Good thinking. If I do decide to go, I will check with the CI’s and see
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Turning good track cars into other people's headaches since 1990 Denis Jenkins (PCA'86) 95 318ti S54 97 318ti S52 95 M3 S54 vin 00067 87 RX7 ITS 02 330i 98 328i 71 911T 70 Karmann Ghia, 96 f350 7.3 available Gone 4 356's,1 996, 4 911's, 1 912, 2 Boxster S, 5 914's, 3 944's, 3 951, 1 924S, 3 95 m3, 03 M3,95 Ti/CS. 97M345, 84 rx7chump car, ITB gti 21, ITB GTI 48, 89 325is s52,07 Z4 coupe, 69 Charger General Lee, 2 66 Cadillac verts, 1 68 cadillac vert, and many many others |
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See if you can do a ride a long with an instructor that knows the track. I did that at mid Ohio, very helpful!
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-Mark- 99’ Carrera 15’ Cayenne Diesel 05' Cayenne S 86' 928s 14' Cayenne Diesel (gone) 13' E92 M3 Silverstone II (competition pkg.)(gone) 07'-17' Child's tuition 09' Jaguar XKR Portfolio(gone) 93' RSA Guards Red (gone) 85' Black Targa (gone) 06' M5 Indilagos Blue (gone) 01' 996 Ducati (1st porsche down payment) |
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When we first did Pitt Race a few years ago, no one had any experience on it. We were the first group on the new layout so no videos to look at it either. You can do the orientation laps and ask the CIs to go out in white with another instructor to show you around. You’ll be fine. You should do it. It’s a fun track to learn.
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Mark S 2003 Carrera C4S 2005 Boxster S - H-Prepared #667 2006 Cayman S 2006 Harley Night Rod |
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Oh, and ask where the coyotes are.
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Mark S 2003 Carrera C4S 2005 Boxster S - H-Prepared #667 2006 Cayman S 2006 Harley Night Rod |
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Denis, it's such a great track--you have to do. The "old track" is super easy to learn, but you have to be brave on Turn 1. The newer part of the track has a very steep downhill, 180 degree turn into a steep uphill--you have a lot of cars, so bring one with some HP for that hill. Then it gets fun. If you've driven Mid-Ohio, very similar to the turns that start with Madness. They're too far apart to be esses, but too close to be turns and straights so it's a dance. When you get it, it's very rewarding. NJMP Thunderbolt has a section similar but not as much fun as Pitt Race or Mid-Ohio.
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Peter (not "Pete") K. 1997 Spec Boxster 2016 Cayman S 1999 Miata ("SM") race car 2016 Toyota Highlander--tow vehicle/wife's DD 2017 VW GTI SE (DD) Gone and missed: 1992 Miata ("SSM") race car 2009 911 C2S Coupe 2004 Toyota Prius - sold to son's girlfriend 2006 Dodge Durango 2003 Acura MDX 86 Black 911 Coupe race car 86 Gold 911 Targa 82 WineRedMetallic 911 Targa |
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I find T1 less intimidating than T16.
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Bob Peirce [Lara's Dad for those who care] 2016 Audi A7 2021 718 GT4, PDK |
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Denis,
FWIW, if you've never been to a track, probably be best to try and sign up with a newish Green student. As mentioned, an initial ride-around with someone familiar with the track will show you the basics. With a Green student, you're working on fundamentals, which you already know. So deep knowledge of the track not as important. Whereas a Blue student, on the verge of promotion to White, may or may not be as enthusiastic about learning a track at the same time you are. Not that you couldn't navigate the weekend with a Blue student, but Green student is more likely easier on you. See you at Pitt!
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- Tony P. Currently - 1984 944 SP2 racer - 1977 911 KM Special vintage racer - 2012 Cayman R (also the wife's) - 2000 Boxster S (now mine) - 1995 993 (garage queen) - 2007 Cayman S (wife's track beast) - 2017 F350 (tow monster) - 2018 Jeep Wrangler Gone but not forgotten - 1989 944S2 - 1979 RX7 - 1986 944 - 1991 944S2 (in car heaven...) - 2001 Chevy Suburban 2500 (FIL's beast now) |
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Definitely Dennis, I have instructed on never been to tracks Lime Rock, VIR, Mosport and Mt Tremblant with 0 experience or videos of those tracks. Asked for Green Green student, go out on our orientation laps and with an instructor in White, Red and Black Green comes later so you will have a pretty good idea. Fun track for DE.
Dirk
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