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Old 02-04-2018, 11:56 AM
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No luck fishing it out with the magnet yet. However, while I was in there, I noticed I can wobble the clutch fork a lot more than I expected. Is that normal? Using my finger I can push it up and down, side to side, back and forth with no resistance.
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iirc, if it is the piston you are fishing for...think it is stainless steel. magnet ain't gonna do much good.

yes, fork does have a little play in it. it is just around the throwout bearing in the middle and only held by a small spring clip on the side opposite the slave.
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iirc, if it is the piston you are fishing for...think it is stainless steel. magnet ain't gonna do much good.

yes, fork does have a little play in it. it is just around the throwout bearing in the middle and only held by a small spring clip on the side opposite the slave.
The replacement piston stuck to the magnet, so I had assumed that the old part was that way too. Found some pictures on the internet and have a better picture of whats in there. Good to know that some play in the fork is expected, but still need to get that piston out. Might just turn into a clutch job WYIT.
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Lane, if you look through the thread below there is a picture of the inside of the bellhousing, the clutch fork and the pin.

https://dorkiphus.net/porsche/showthread.php?t=37205

When I first got my 97 e36 I could not push the clutch all the way down. when I did I get some very horrible grinding feeling. Not fully understanding the potential issues I figured it was just the clutch itself. When I removed the trans, I found the little plastic fork pin (picture in the thread) was broken and the fork was no longer connected on the passenger side of the bellhousing. so I am not sure what was really happening when I pushed the clutch pedal in.

So there is some movement, but I don't think it should move real free unless the fork pin is broken (apparently a common problem--they now sell a brass pin). If you are able to move that around freely, I would venture your pin is broken and the passenger side of the clutch fork is not connected to the housing.

when I did mine I swapped out the shifter bushings also...the car shifts like it was new.
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if the plastic pin is broken, you would probably be able to spin the clutch fork around since it would not be anchored on that side.

i hope it does not turn into a clutch job! if it seems like it might be going that way, you could just get as far as loosening the bellhousing bolts enough to slide the trans back a half inch..enough to get the pin out.

maybe call around to some autopart stores to see if any have a loaner borescope tool that will let you look around in there.
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I think tito nailed it, I think the clutch fork pin is busted or its otherwise become disconnected on that end. I could stick my finger in the cup on the clutch fork and pull it directly towards the side of the bell housing away from the fork pin. I have a video where you can hear me clanging it all over the place.
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It is likely broken. If it were me I would get the car home and prep for a tranny pull. If you decide to do the clutch, and don't want to buy a new dual mass friction flywheel, I was able to have mine resurfaced for about 120 bucks.
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Fast forward a few months... I finally moved it from my office's parking deck (haha) and went to it. At the end of the day, definitely had to pull the trans off. Pelican's instructions were pretty spot, which is I think what I followed last time too. The starter would not free up until we whacked it pretty good.

Anyways, after seeing the inside, I think the pivot pin on the clutch fork broke a long time ago (found 2 pieces) and then the spring holding it on must've broken as well because it was in pieces in the bell housing. I think the speed bump I was going over must've been the last straw and wiggled the clutch fork away from the rod of the slave cylinder, so when I pushed in the clutch, it just shot out. I think the slave cylinder was slowly on its last leg anyways due to the topping off of brake fluid.

There was some weird scoring on the inside of the clutch fork and also the area where the push fit pivot pin is scared up and not smooth either. I'll be replacing them, but I'm worried the pivot pin may not seat very well. Picture below.

On the plus side, lots of clutch material left!

Finally off!!!:
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Lots of damaged things:
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Scoring in the bell housing where the pivot pin pushes in:
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Scoring on the clutch fork:
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Time to order some parts...
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FWIW, Taking the trans off is easy. Getting that SOB to line back up is the hard part
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FWIW, Taking the trans off is easy. Getting that SOB to line back up is the hard part
That sounds about right, this is the second time I've taken the trans off this car...
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