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Am I supposed to have an active shooter plan for everywhere I am? Is that what you are thinking every time you go somewhere? What an odd way to live.
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David D. '87 Targa - 2021 quickly disappearing... |
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Dumb plan. Your too damn slow in that car.
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Assuming you would have the option to get in your car and leave is just silly. Suppose said lunatic parks a pickup truck blocking the bridge . . . Kind of ironic that BSR runs training programs, as you referenced, for the very thing you are belittling me for. The very same people you expect to save you per your prior comment. You better hope they have a plan since you don't. They can have a plan but if I think about this stuff I wear panties? The one in panties is the one hoping someone else will handle the danger for them. And if a property owner or event organizer willfully denies us the most effective means by which to defend ourselves then they better have an active shooter plan. Just ask MGM
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Hunt 611racing.com OG Racing Team Vimeo https://www.youtube.com/user/Streak986 1999 SPB #611 2004 Wrangler “That’s how people like you work. Your ego is so out of whack that it will do what ever it can to protect itself. And people with a messed up ego can do these mental gymnastics to convince themselves they’re awesome when really they are just douche bags” - Kyle, South Park "If you need to focus maybe you should buy the book and take it home" - MLIN Last edited by SilverStreak; 07-12-2020 at 08:27 PM. |
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Pretty easy to not worry about the bridge being blocked, as all you need to do is drive around the track to T5-T8 to get out. Or go down to skid pad and over to Jefferson.
So please entertain me -- do you set up an active shooter plan for everywhere you go? Not really worried about the rioters, as they are largely the anti-gun people. As far a belittling, you got very aggressive in your post, so you set the tone. Also, since Summit Point is private property, don't they have the right to set the rules? And then PCA can add more on top. No one is forced to attend these events as far as I know, so anyone who does not like the rules/ restrictions can opt to not attend events there. I'm not a left-leaning person, but I also am not far-right. I have never owned a gun, but I have shot pistols, shot guns, rifles, and a couple automatic weapons (all for target/ fun). I have no issues with gun ownership, and fully support the rights of people to own multiple guns. But I do worry about potentially mentally-unstable people owning them and bringing them to gatherings.
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David D. '87 Targa - 2021 quickly disappearing... |
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Talk about aggressive. But look what you did! You thought about alternative escape routes. You planned for the worst. Do you plan for emergencies? Of course you do. I'm guessing you have a jack and a lug wrench and a spare in all your cars right? Why? You clearly ignored the AK's being handed out of a car trunk in CHOP/CHAZ and the shootings and the armed protestors at Stone Mountain a few weeks ago and the several hundred people shot around the country during these "protests." You might be very surprised to know that Antifa is super pro 2A. The rallied in Richmond with us last January. To answer your question, it depends on where I'm going. For example if I'm going to the movies with my wife and daughter you are damned right I'm thinking about it and prepared. I never said that SP or PCA couldn't make rules. Though I'm not sure why they would feel the need to at the PCA level. How many PCA events have been shot up? And if they allow guns you have the very same option not attend right? I do believe that if they make these rules then they assume some liability if the worst happens. As far as an unstable person bringing a gun to a PCA event I'll ask, how many times has a "no guns" sign stopped a lunatic? Gun free zones have been proven, tragically, to be enticing targets for the very thing you are worried about though you thought I was odd for being worried about it.
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I'm not sure what we are debating then, as it sounds like we are in agreement.
By the way, the intent of Clarke's OP was about as clear as mud to me. And I have never planned anything related to an emergency at Summit Point. As it became apparent this thread was about 'what if there was a shooter at SP', vs 'some idiot local across the street almost killed someone' the first thing that popped into my mind was someone would have to be stupid to try and do anything at a place like SP where everyone has fast cars and can quickly/ easily drive a mile away. That's just common sense.
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David D. '87 Targa - 2021 quickly disappearing... |
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I don't think it's that simple. If there is an event at the main track and Shenandoah there could be a few hundred cars all trying to drive away at the same time.
Thats not going to go well. In fact that funnels targets in to a nice neat little bottleneck Think DC sniper or the school shooters from Jonesboro, Arkansas who set up outside the school, pulled the fire alarm and shot the kids one by one as they came out the door. Bottlenecks are bad. Both tracks full are a whole lot of cars trying to do exactly what you are trying to do. In a panic. Something to think about. Might not be common sense after all
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Hunt 611racing.com OG Racing Team Vimeo https://www.youtube.com/user/Streak986 1999 SPB #611 2004 Wrangler “That’s how people like you work. Your ego is so out of whack that it will do what ever it can to protect itself. And people with a messed up ego can do these mental gymnastics to convince themselves they’re awesome when really they are just douche bags” - Kyle, South Park "If you need to focus maybe you should buy the book and take it home" - MLIN |
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I've been a gun owner, bird hunter since I was 13. I was on my high school rifle team. I've been an avid skeet/trap/sporting clay shooter for over 3 decades. Because I also choose to own guns for self defense I concern you? I'm the last person who should concern you because I take gun ownership seriously. I have taken the time and spent the money to get trained to use both pistols and rifles effectively and safely in self defense scenarios. I did the same for shotgunning. Rather than just running around with a gun I'm the guy who takes the responsibility seriously enough to get more than a little bit of instruction. And it's not fear, it's understanding reality. The Sheriff isn't getting to my house for at least 10 minutes and more likely closer to 15. I bet if someone was kicking in your back door at 2 am you would grab your gun right? Out of fear or with the full understanding that your self defense in that moment is 100% up to you? But me wanting to defend myself and my family is a problem. You do it the "right" way? I roll my eyes at you and your smug assumptions. Seriously
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Hunt 611racing.com OG Racing Team Vimeo https://www.youtube.com/user/Streak986 1999 SPB #611 2004 Wrangler “That’s how people like you work. Your ego is so out of whack that it will do what ever it can to protect itself. And people with a messed up ego can do these mental gymnastics to convince themselves they’re awesome when really they are just douche bags” - Kyle, South Park "If you need to focus maybe you should buy the book and take it home" - MLIN Last edited by SilverStreak; 07-12-2020 at 10:40 PM. |
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Nobody was shooting at people and cars at the track. The people were target shooting on private property thinking there is a nature barrier to keep their bullets from going beyond the property. They were wrong. The cops did not beam in, so took them a while to get there. They did not arrest anyone because they were shooting on private property and not intending harm. There were over a 100 people at the track, none were scared due to a threat and hiding as far as I can tell. It is not people who carry or oppose to carrying that bothers me, it is the political BS soap box which both sides get on (as is evident buy this thread and you jumping in) that is tiresome.
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