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Seat parity / seat life - DE and AX question
So, I know have this new toy. Trying to learn about seat life. I've been out of the game too long to keep up with all the safety changes of late.
Driver seat sticker says the following: OMP - HTE Fiberglass seat. FIA standard 8855-1999 its a containment seat (which I am not a fan of) Date of Manufacture is January 2012 Passenger seat says the following: OMP - First R FIA standard 8855-1999 Not Valid After: 2022 Are these seats only good for 10 years for DE? Or is that a club race rule? Or, is it by default a DE rule cause they use CR rules? I make the false assumption that either seat would be allowed for AX? I don't believe PCA AX has an expiration date for seats... and maybe not even belts? Would it be an issue, regardless of expiration date, if I swapped the Drivers and passenger seats ? - ie, the passenger/instructor would have a containment seat while the driver has a regular race seat?
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For club racing, composite (fiberglas, CF, etc.) seats are only good until either the "Not Valid After" date or five years from the date of manufacture. So, your driver's seat is toast, but the passenger seat is good for another couple of years. If it fits, there's no problem with moving the passenger seat over to the driver's side.
Aluminum seats can go longer than 5 years, but they have to be braced directly to the cage to be allowed past the expiration date. Not sure if anyone ever bothers to check the seats for DEs, though.
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And that would include Potomac.
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A suggestion if you replace your driver's seat: I had to replace the seat that came in my Spec Boxster because it was too old. My youngest son bought an old office chair from a thrift store, removed the seat part from the base and mounted the race seat on the base. Now he has the most unique desk chair in the dorm.
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Actually, if the seat has a back brace, it could be used past expiration be used past Expiration date. I don’t know if that rule has changed. No restriction for DE yet.
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although you apparently don't like them, GET A CONTAINTMENT SEAT!
they work. two friends got taken out by a third car in an SCCA race. one had containment seat, one didn't. both had HANS. both ran in car video. watching their heads slam around in the car in the videos was scary. containment seat did its job. that driver was not injured. the other driver ended up with some neck injuries. just say no to seats without wings for head restraint.
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Now where is that online copy of PCAP Club Race rules?
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However, do you really want to trust your life to an old seat?
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We trust our lives in old cars.
The seat format and level of the install play a notable role in how effective it will be in containing the driver during a wreck. After watching way too many drivers flopping around in wreck videos I would take a 20 year old properly installed Kirky full containment seat over a new fiber based slider mounted seat. Is there any data on seat material degradation?
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Worried about an old fiberglass shell? What about 40 yr old wheels or a stock seat on a few m8 bolts? Lots of personal choice, I dont see a wrong answer as long as you go in eyes open. I also think the aging out thing is a bit misguided but obviously a simple way to establish a regulation. Thinking a new anything is better because of age isnt always the best approach.
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