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Old 08-05-2012, 04:32 PM
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I know this has been discussed before (drills/taps) but I couldn't find the thread. Anyway, I needed to tap some 4-40 holes in some thin steel. Drilled the pilot holes and went to look for my taps. Crap, don't have a 'good' one in the box so had to settle for my made in ??? HSS kit. Im reluctant to say china as they're typ quite well made. Even HSS vs carbon steel. No Greenfield (USA) but decent. Except the 4-40 it turns out...

So, I start tapping the hole and hear light 'crunching'. I figure its just the chips and keep turning it back a partial turn to break them. After about the right depth I pull (!??!?) the tap out. Something doesn't look right. They undercut the root of the threads so thin the teeth just break off FWIW, The thread form doesn't look very good either.

NOW, I have to order a real tap and hope I can clean the HSS bits out of the existing hole so I don't ruin that one.
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The sad part of all this is when you walk into a Home Depot or Lows or Tractor Supply or the like and all you see is the crappy stuff. Lot of people are going to grow up thinking this is the norm.

Used to be you could at least pick good or "cheap" Now all you can find in many places is "crappy".
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That's a bummer. As a two-or-three-times-a-year mechanic, I find it difficult to know sometimes when a tool is good vs crap. I went through a couple extractors a while back, going more expensive each time (Sears, HD). I stopped short of super-expensive, as I no longer had confidence after the two lesser ones snapped.

But what is the best course for those of us who may not be tool-saavy? I've read enough to know Snap-On, MAC, Matco, etc. have a lot of good stuff, but also have some crappy stuff that is priced like its made out of gold or platinum. and it's even more hit-or-miss if you buy through the internet, as you can't lay your hands on it before purchasing.

Anyone know of online vendors who seem to sell only high-quality mechanics tools?
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FWIW, I think that some of the pricing from SnapOn and MacTools, is based upon anticipated "life time replacement" replacements. But I believe this is only offered to customers with accounts. I'm not sure how their warranties actually work.
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You should know something about "tools" Scott I was both pissed and intrigued as I have never seen a tap fail like that before.

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Anyone know of online vendors who seem to sell only high-quality mechanics tools?
No. I think all brands have some lemons. Even Porsche made a 924 I personally don't mind buying tools (or clothes) over the internet. Sears doesn't carry anything good anymore so what choice do I have? I guess I could walk into Grainger and pay too much (thats not entirely true.) I trust some brands but have no problem sending something back if its poorly made. Shipping is cheap if you factor time wasted getting to/from a store, gas, project delay due to a broken tools, etc.

Though now a days I seem to buy more 'niche' tools based on seeing or a friends or reviews at the local machinists meetings. The twist handle stanley ratchet Kurt has is a huge timesaver in some situations. Not my "go to" handle but still a good tool to have. I bought several and gave them to the family as Christmas gifts.
http://www.amazon.com/Stanley-89-962.../dp/B000HEKV1W
(since its not obvious how its different - you can TWIST the handle back and forth to ratchet the head too. Great for tight places you can't swing it like a normal ratchet - though it works by swinging too.)

Same w/ Knipex "pliers wrenches" which are just TOO handy sometimes. FWIW the jaws stay parallel - they are way faster than an adj wrench and can do things like crimp/straighten/bend metal better than pliers. And have REALLY high mechanical advantage independent of where in the jaw you place an item.
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1...8&groupID=1500

Maybe we should start a cool tool thread. And ban Scott from it
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I have taps that only use in epoxy, some just for steel. After dropping a good one overboard I stopped bringing them to the boat.

Some of the Lowes wrenches are nice, same for HD and Sears. Sadly, no broad statements anymore, it really depends on the specific tool.
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Klein?
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would these qualify as quality as well?
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Klein?
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would these qualify as quality as well?
Yes.

Craftsman has been complete junk for the last 10-15 years. I've got a Husky ratchet that has held up very well. A set of Matco screwdrivers that have had 3 tips break on so far, I can't find a decent deadblow that will hold up to real use yet.

FYI Snap-On's lifetime warranty only applies to hand tools. Air tools only have a 2 year on them, then you pay
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