[arob]

Originally Posted by good hands

It's on face book if you are friends with Mark H.

Hmmm...not seeing it on his page.

[good hands]

Originally Posted by arob

Hmmm...not seeing it on his page.

I think he has it set up as private until NASA looks at it and makes their decision about the idiot who hit him.

[arob]

Ah, understandable.

[944 Cup]

Originally Posted by LPM911

there is, both NASA GTS Challenge and PCA have the 13/13 rule. However, incidents can be ruled as racing incidents and those do not consititute issuing a 13 to a driver. the first incident where a driver gets a 13, they have to keep their nose clean for 13 months. if you have another 13 in that 13 month probation period, you are suspended for 13 months.

NASA does not employ a 13/13 rule. Suspensions for body contact in NASA are very rare. Most are ruled as racing incidents.

[LPM911]

Originally Posted by 944 Cup

NASA does not employ a 13/13 rule. Suspensions for body contact in NASA are very rare. Most are ruled as racing incidents.

GTS Challenge has a 13/13 rule per section 2 of the 2010 GTS challenge rule book. But in general, most NASA series do not.

http://www.nasagts.com/rules/2010%20GTS%20v1_1.pdf

2. Modified 13/13
To promote clean and competitive driving, in addition to NASA’s rules and suggested sanctions in the CCR, the series will use a Modified 13/13 rule for on course conduct. The intent of the Modified 13/13 rule is to provide some degree of deterrence against casual body damage and contact by careless drivers but without excessive penalties for normal race driving. In multiple car incidents all relevant evidence will be used to assess fault. Sanctions for drivers found to be at fault will be imposed by officials on a sliding scale subject to the discretion of the officials. Drivers in single car incidents will not be subject to sanction under the Modified 13/13 rule. The Modified 13/13 rule can also be applied to a driver whose on track conduct causes damage to another driver’s car even if there was no physical contact between the cars. Penalty decisions will be heard by any combination of NASA Race Directors, GTS officials, and/or Incident Review Boards (IRB’s) which may be formed and operated per the NASA CCR.

GTS Modified 13/13 penalties will not be applied when an incident occurs in a mixed race group between a GTS driver and a driver in another class. In those instances, standard NASA CCR penalties and procedures will apply.

The Modified 13/13 rule can be applied post event as it is not always possible to determine fault at the track in a timely manner. No Modified 13/13 penalty can conflict with the findings of a NASA Race Director and penalties can vary in length subject to the discretion of GTS officials. Regardless of the length of the penalty, no penalty is over until the driver participates in at least one GTS class race while subject to the penalty.

[944 Cup]

Originally Posted by LPM911

GTS Challenge has a 13/13 rule per section 2 of the 2010 GTS challenge rule book. But in general, most NASA series do not.

NASA CCR's , http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf , do not contain a 13/13 provision governing on track conduct and NASA does not administer a 13/13 rule.

The 944 Cup developed and employed a modified 13/13 rule when it first came to race with NASA back in 2002, which was later adopted by GTS and Spec E30. But NASA CCR's never included the 13/13 rule or assisted in anyway to enforce our 13/13 rule. Spec E30 has since dropped the provisions and defaults to NASA for metal to metal oversight. Looks like GTS is still attempting to employ on their own, though appear to defer to NASA rulings in the end.

On another note, some other extra curricula activities at Hyperfest:

YouTube- Hyperfest 2010 Fight from bleachers

YouTube- Hyperfest 2010 Fight from bleachers

YouTube- Hyperfest 2010 fight end with a tazzer

YouTube- Hyperfest 2010 fight end with a tazzer

[HoodPin]

Hyperfest does seem to bring out the best in and of folks......

[magnetic1]

Originally Posted by 944 Cup

Looks like GTS is still attempting to employ on their own, though appear to defer to NASA rulings in the end.

GTS has 13/13 and has some leeway by way of officials, etc to come to an end conclusion. The NASA contact rule isnt too bad on its own, but GTS has its way of doing things and is respected by NASA.