[}{arlequin]

Originally Posted by TD in DC

Don't worry, I will post video and data. Smoothness wasn't the issue. The "main" issue was that I got behind the car. I went into a balanced four wheel drift, which was fine, but then when I went from the concrete patch to the asphalt, the rear end came out relatively fast (it did not snap out). I have never gone from one type of slide to another. If I had opened up the wheel a little bit faster, I might have been able to stop the rear end from swinging out before it even started. Once it started, there was little to be done.

so you're saying you're ready for the nine eleven then.... .....?

[nein14-6]

TD in DC, I did go through that corner right before you did at a reduced speed because I was going into the pits. I distinctly remember that the car did push out wide like there was something on the track. I am fairly confident that, that corner would have been real interesting for me as well had I gone through it at full speed.

[Vicegrip]

What a great track weekend on and off track. Drive up sucked but proved to be worth it. The 912 ran like a top all wekend and unlike the 1.5 year old Hoos i took off the new slightly used tires were good and sticky once I got around to driving hard and trusting them. You know you are not pushing it when you come in and the tire temps are in the 130s.
My Bone head of the weekend. Checked my oil and left the oil cap on an air cleaner. went out for the firast run of the weekend and while sitting on the hot grid had a (!?) moment. Pulled out off line hopped out and could not find the $@#$! cap. Thought I might have left it in the paddock and hoofed it back to look. Nope. Hoofed it back the the hot pits and brought the car back to the paddock and looked real hard and finaly found it in the hardest to find little dark caynon on the back of the motor. Missed run #1 right off the bat. Next run out coming out of the toe of the boot I thought I had someone coming up on me. As I turned in at the heel I set my turn and looked in my mirror and did not see what I expected so I looked some more...As I headed right for the left side gator. I did not finish turnning in before took my eyes of the track. Did a nice no muss no fuss 2 wheels off and into the pits for a little looksee.
It took me 1.5 days to get the rust off and start trusting the car and setup changes I made. Sat afternoon and Sunday's were great runs. The drivers dinner on Sat night was well done with good food and good folks.

Bravo to the folks that worked to make this a good weekend for all.


Notes.
Don't recomend that you keep them in your tool box but Jersey walls make good tierod holders while you remove 80 deg bends and the like.

Even if a shop inspects your car you should do so as well. Just use the tech form and look at as much as you can. It is your butt in the car not the shop's.
One driver spent all Fri and most of Sat chasing down parts and watching me do a slam it front brake rebuild after we found big cracks and leaking brakes on fri a.m. tech.

The tire walls are better to hit than the blue bushes if you have to.

The Glen is a fun track HP or not.

[TD in DC]

Originally Posted by nein14-6

TD in DC, I did go through that corner right before you did at a reduced speed because I was going into the pits. I distinctly remember that the car did push out wide like there was something on the track. I am fairly confident that, that corner would have been real interesting for me as well had I gone through it at full speed.

Thanks Rob. It is nice to know that I am not too crazy.

It doesn't bother me admitting that I did something wrong. Obviously I did.

I do think it is important to understand exactly WHAT I did wrong.

It is far too easy to write it all off on being to early. I think it was a series of very small factors that added up to the incident. Since I spun between apex (which I made AND which I think I made with a good attitude/angle) and track out, the only way that me being early could have contributed to the problem is if it put me off the concrete earlier than I otherwise would have been. This is possible, but if I was early it was only a little bit early as confirmed by looking at my lines on other laps with data and video.

The neutral four wheel drift fooled me into thinking everything was fine. It wasn't. When I slid a little farther out, the track conditions changed (i.e., went from concrete to asphalt and a liittle dip in the track) and the rear end started coming around. It came around fairly slowly, so I opened the wheel "normally", but it was as if my correction had zero effect. At this point I realize that I am behind the car, but there was no way to get back in front of it. I mean, when you hit the steering lock, the only thing left to do is both feet in.

I did not lift through the whole incident until I went both feet in . . .

[VaSteve]

Originally Posted by Kurt Mickelwait

Even if a shop inspects your car you should do so as well. Just use the tech form and look at as much as you can. It is your butt in the car not the shop's.
One driver spent all Fri and most of Sat chasing down parts and watching me do a slam it front brake rebuild after we found big cracks and leaking brakes on fri a.m. tech.

That sucks. Having done it both ways, it's a little tough having your friends bust your balls and help you spend you money on things that aren't problems "yet", but sure beats the alternative of not knowing if the wrench took a lunch break or a phone call during your tech inspection.

[APKhaos]

Originally Posted by Kurt Mickelwait
Even if a shop inspects your car you should do so as well. Just use the tech form and look at as much as you can. It is your butt in the car not the shop's.
One driver spent all Fri and most of Sat chasing down parts and watching me do a slam it front brake rebuild after we found big cracks and leaking brakes on fri a.m. tech.



This problem raises its ugly head more frequently than most guys would expect. When you write the big check for shop prep, you have every reason to expect the car to be rock solid. Having it fail at the track and wreck your event is not part of that equation. I've seen this happen way too often at DEs and races.

I just don't let anyone else touch the car for anything other than alignment these days. Not everyone has the time/tools/skillz top do their own work, so its not a general solution.

One thing you should consider is bringing you car to the tech inspection, especially if you have had a bunch of shop work done. Having a second set of eyes go over what has been done can catch some things early enough to have them fixed before the event.

- It certainly would have caught the cracked rotor and leaking calipers that caused one guy to loose two days at the Glen, and caused Kurt to loose several hours doing the repairs in the Glen garage.
- It probably would have caught the steering coupler problem that grounded a gorgeous early RS, and might have caught the badly routed oil cooler line that caused him to dump 8 qts from T11 to T1
- It might have caught the turbo system upgrade that was totally undrivable at anything other than full throttle which severely crimped one guy's weekend

There are plenty of other examples, but you get the idea, right?

[Trak Ratt]

Said before but worth repeating… never miss a chance to look your Porsche over on a lift! Short list of issues found during recent techs include; torn CV boots, nails in tyres, broken sway bar mounts, loose sway bar mounts rubbing axels, “active oil leaks (any that drip hot oil on Kurt’s head), cracked wheels, broken shock mounts etc, etc. Even if you aren’t going to an event it good just to check it out.

[VaSteve]

Originally Posted by david riley

Said before but worth repeating… never miss a chance to look your Porsche over on a lift! Short list of issues found during recent techs include; torn CV boots, nails in tyres, broken sway bar mounts, loose sway bar mounts rubbing axels, “active oil leaks (any that drip hot oil on Kurt’s head), cracked wheels, broken shock mounts etc, etc. Even if you aren’t going to an event it good just to check it out.

I'm going to start bringing my other cars to inspection events just to look them over.

[Mike W]

Originally Posted by TD in DC

BTW, I entered Turn 10 at 86 mph Funny thing is that I had already made it through the turn at that speed maybe 5 or 6 times

Man, 2 more mph and you would have gone back to 1955 and possibility not hit the wall. I mean assuming you have a flux capacitor... but I assume you do .

Sorry to hear about the carnage guys.

[}{arlequin]

speaking of looking at the data... do you gave a g-sum meter hooked up on the car?
what did it register at impact? just curious