[SilverStreak]

Relevant WV code:

(1) No owner, lessee, or other person charged with the care, custody, and control of real property may
prohibit any customer, employee, or invitee from possessing any legally owned firearm, when the firearm is

(A) Lawfully possessed;
(B) Out of view;
(C) Locked inside or locked to a motor vehicle in a parking lot; and
(D) When the customer, employee, or invitee is lawfully allowed to be present in that area.

(2) No owner, lessee, or other person charged with the care, custody, and control of real property may violate the privacy rights of a customer, employee, or invitee either

(A) By verbal or written inquiry, regarding the presence or absence of a firearm locked inside or locked to a motor vehicle in a parking lot; or
(B) By conducting an actual search of a motor vehicle in a parking lot to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle: Provided, That a search of a motor vehicle in a parking lot to ascertain the presence of a firearm within that motor vehicle may only be conducted by on-duty, law enforcement personnel, in accordance with statutory and constitutional protections.
(C) No owner, lessee, or other person charged with the care, custody, and control of real property may take any action against a customer, employee, or invitee based upon verbal or written statements of any party concerning possession of a firearm stored inside a motor vehicle in a parking lot for lawful purposes, except upon statements made pertaining to unlawful purposes or threats of unlawful actions involving a firearm made in violation of §61-6-24 of this code.

[Patrick3000]

Originally Posted by }{arlequin

crouch behind hunt?

Now that is low, really low.

[spiffyjiff]

Originally Posted by Patrick3000

Now that is low, really low.

(cr)ouch.

[Vicegrip]

Originally Posted by SilverStreak

Yowza. The arrogance! You are positively dripping with it. The derision with which you assess your fellow man whom you feel is beneath you is positively repugnant.

When did I run around red faced screaming about my rights exactly?

Your assertion is actually quite the opposite: when incidents like this happen its people like you and the gun grabbers that immediately want to empty our hands.

Oh the hypocrisy of a guy who fought for CCP then admonishes anyone who carries.

Thank God there are real heroes out there like you Kurt to provide a moral compass for us all. Bless you

BTW, you might not feel the need to carry to the track but what if you were traveling to SP from afar? Maybe you live in Tennessee and you feel more secure having a way to protect yourself on the journey? Maybe you get a flat tire and some one pulls off the highway to "help" you but they are just opportunistic thugs? That never happens right?

But you had to leave your gun at home because PCA or SP won't allow guns at the event.

Your arrogance prevents you from considering any other scenario than your own.

Thankfully, it appears that SP may not have that prohibition any longer. I don't see that language in their rules any longer. Also worth noting is that WV law, if I'm reading it correctly, prohibits SP or PCA fro banning guns in locked cars. SP and PCA can prohibit carrying guns around the facility but not from you bringing one and leaving it in your tow vehicle. This is smart for the very scenario listed above: travelers.

See that Kurt? I'm looking up applicable laws because thats what responsible law abiding gun owners do . . . .

And riddle me this oh keeper of all standards of ethical behavior: how many tests do we take to exercise any of our other right?

https://handgunlaw.us/states/westvirginia.pdf

Wow, ^ that is quite the tome. You seem to have a preconceived notion that I am trying to belittle you. It is not always about you but this time it was in a way. It was about your reaction to this event.
You see, I have always felt gun ownership to be a bit more than just another hand tool. It requires a taller order of care. It also seems the newer owners come up short more often in good ownership. How would you feel if a felon used a stolen handgun to kill a family member? A stolen impact gun from your trailer is about the same cost but the potential outcome costs are not. Too many poor owners means more guns in the wrong hands. I don't just look up gun laws I work to have good ones. How many tests? Considering this right has some measurable impacts on others how about "enough" As we both are are a long time owners I suspect that you too have more times than you want have been grouse hunting with the guy that you have to stay behind or at the range where the RO has to keep correcting. Me? I built my own, that way there is only dumb ass with a gun shooting at a time.

You have assumed (loudly) I don't know that handguns can be kept under lock an key while in transportation. I never commented on the laws that exist or the rights of the owners of private property such as SP to permit guns or not.
I am far from a grabber. I want us all the chill out and see things for what they are. To find the stable ground where sensible things can be formulated for a long future. I noted that I tire of the "OMG my gun from my cold dead hands" people who in large part have been frothed up by the NRA of which I used to be a member but no longer.
The problem is not those that are sensible it is the few that have to run things to the edge. In the truck locked up, which works just fine* were to become open carry that ends up with your sidearm on a post between hot and cold grid after you forgot to un-holster before the practice laps.

BTW.. If you had already known or thought that it was legal to have a firearm at arms length then why the histrionics? Why not just say "Hey folks worry not it is OK to have a firearm just keep it all locked up"


*and has worked just fine for a long time all over the place, on the down low or legal.

[SilverStreak]

Nah. You just confirmed your arrogance.

"Keeper of the tooth" and "poor owners" and "new owners" and blah blah blah

It's only solid ground if the great Kurt M thinks it is. Keep looking down that nose.

I referred to the laws regarding SP and PCA because that's part of what this thread is about. I also wanted to inform any who are reading this.

It wasn't about you . . .

My reaction is to post #8

I never said you didn't know guns could be kept locked up. I presented a scenario by which someone might want to carry as they travel to and from a track weekend and what to do when they get to a PCA gun free zone.

Reading comprehension is a thing.

And you pat yourself on the back for adding even more restrictions to a right that already has far too many restrictions on it? Really?

Virginia is the 4th safest state in the union even with one of the murder capitals of the East Coast sharing a border. We don't need anymore laws nor do we need your help. In fact please don't help.

All the laws in Kurt's moral utopia are flatly ignored by the very people you don't want to have guns.

I wasn't aware of the specific WV law regarding what SP and PCA can actually restrict until now. I just went by the "no firearms allowed" rule.

This incident spurred me to check more into it rather than just blindly follow along like a sheep. Hopefully others are now informed.

And if you think it's OK to keep a gun in the truck at the track then why the histrionics?

And just an FYI, words have killed far more people than guns. Maybe you should start working on whittling away the 1st Amendment too?

[BlackTalon]

I have never heard of anyone being killed by words. Your post seemed logical (if not a bit arrogant) up until that closing line.

[SilverStreak]

All genocide starts with words

[BlackTalon]

You said words kill more. Not that words start anything. The words did not kill.

[SilverStreak]

Except they do. Hitler's rhetoric, his words, killed over 6 million Jews. Stalin's over 20,000,000 Russians. 800,000 in Rwanda.

Words have been used to dehumanize, divide and then slaughter throughout history.

If you can't see the correlation between Adolph Hitler declaring the Jews to be the enemy of his country and then 6 million Jews being put on cattle cars and gassed you are being willfully ignorant.

It starts with words.

[BlackTalon]

You are changing your claim that words kill more people than guns. Guns, poison/ gas, etc. killed people.

Make up your mind if you are arguing figuratively (like you are now) or literally (like your statement to Kurt that stated this side bar).