[alw20147]

Originally Posted by SilverStreak

I find the Beretta PX4 to be quite comfortable to shoot. The full size and the compact have rotating barrels that make them reliably accurate.

Here's a good read: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...the-px4-storm/

Silver Eagle is awesome. I've taken a number of pistol/rifle defensive shooting classes there. The last one was hand to hand with concealed carry tactics that left me literally bruised and bloody. Eye opening to say the least.

Speaking of defensive classes, check out Tactical Response's Fighting Pistol Course. 1000 rounds in one day, only class i have ever take where the you are taught as if in real situation.

[SilverStreak]

That's a bit farther away than Ashburn

Looks like a great course though.

SEG has what they call the "scenario house" which are mock offices, a townhouse and a parking lot. They run you through different attacks and you fight your way to a shooting position. A cool thing they use are modified glocks that shoot paint pellets (they do sting and draw blood!) so you actually get attacked and shoot a real moving target (albeit a heavily padded one).

After being thrown around like a rag doll by a 230lb ex-Delta force killing machine I decided the safest way for me to leave my house was with my pistol in one hand and my other hand balled into a fist. Needless to say I will never walk to my car the same way again.

http://silvereaglegroup.com/firearms...veryday-carry/

[slbates]

Originally Posted by Vicegrip

Totally off topic. I recently discovered the world of adult air pistols and rifles. I have found there is a world highly accurate and very powerful air guns from .177 all the way to .50 cal. In the .177 and .22 cal you can get air rifles that have higher FPS than .22 LR. I have a nice silenced .177 rifle with iron sights, good scope and target grade ammo. Built a target/trap in the backyard and I can settle in and take some shots whenever I feel like it. No $$$ cartridges and no freaking out the locals. Keep the speeds under supersonic and the loudest sound is the pellet smacking the paper. Jack it to 1200 fps and it cracks like a powder powered rifle. I play some nice classical music in the yard while shooting to mask the sounds.

+1
Been having a bit of fun with a Crosman American Classic. However, I bought my pellet trap since I don't have Kurt's mad welding skills. At 25' I can get sub 1 1/2 groups.

[Handlebar]

I took a one course in Oregon around about 2003.

We went through 1,100 rounds - all handloads, 300+ were 'specialty' loads.

I was carrying a Colt Single Action Army, .45 Colt.

That was a great, but sore day. The specialty loads were full house blackpowder under a 255 gr LRN.

I was a very active Cowboy Action guy and the instructor had a scenario where someone sees you have property they want, and attacks you as you are either unloading gear at the range, or returning home. "What ammo would you have the most of? Use that."

I would pay to have a photo of his face when we went through the scenario in simulated closer quarters, low light, and then things got loud and very smoky!

[flatsixcrazy]

I finally got to shoot several different 9mm p226s and M&Ps last night and it was great fun. I like the look of the p226s, but felt it wasn't as comfortable as the M&Ps (except for the p226 E2 version). The E2 and M&P are probably what will be on my lookout list. I also got to shoot a custom long range rifle and had a lot of fun. I can see myself getting into matches in the future. The Remington 700p, in .308, will also be on my Christmas list. Looks like I'll have to start being extra nice from now on .

[smdubovsky]

Any chance to try the new sig 320? Its poly frame like the glock/m&p/etc but has a slight palm swell so doesn't feel like a 2x4. IIRC smaller grip than the alloy framed 226s.

Originally Posted by flatsixcrazy

The Remington 700p, in .308, will also be on my Christmas list.

Might want to consider the new Ruger Precision Rifle. A MUCH better precision rifle for about the same street price (<$1k). I have one in 6.5CM (and a Nightforce) on order. Just came out and are little hard to find (esp in 6.5CM) but are slowly starting to show up more and more. The 308 is easier to find but for precision the 6.5CM is a better choice. Match grade ammo is a little cheaper for it too.

[flatsixcrazy]

Originally Posted by smdubovsky

Any chance to try the new sig 320? Its poly frame like the glock/m&p/etc but has a slight palm swell so doesn't feel like a 2x4. IIRC smaller grip than the alloy framed 226s.



Might want to consider the new Ruger Precision Rifle. A MUCH better precision rifle for about the same street price (<$1k). I have one in 6.5CM (and a Nightforce) on order. Just came out and are little hard to find (esp in 6.5CM) but are slowly starting to show up more and more. The 308 is easier to find but for precision the 6.5CM is a better choice. Match grade ammo is a little cheaper for it too.

I was late to the RPR party and have been monitoring gunbroker.com for prices. RPR in 6.5 CR seemed to go at $1600 - $1800, and .308 at $1299 - $1400. The days of $999 RPR are over . I can very close to buying the 6.5 CM RPR on gunbroker, but I figured I can start out with a R700 and start to built it up to a platform like the RPR, much later down the road. I decided on the R700, in .308 and H&S Precision stock, because there are a wealth of information, load data, and tools to work on it. Although I do the Tikka T3 action and think it is much smoother action than the R700.

I'm still learning about the 6.5CM. I know it's all the rage with the Snipershide guys, but I am not completely on board yet. Maybe soon .

[smdubovsky]

Originally Posted by flatsixcrazy

I'm still learning about the 6.5CM.

The RPR is priced high because currently demand outstrips supply. Once things calm down, it will be sold for less than MSRP just like every other rifle. The pre-orders went for ~$900 and will prob return to that. Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore currently has both the 308 and 243 in stock for $1100 shipped. Gunbroker is full of flippers. If you can wait until christmas things should hopefully calm down further by then.
http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsupersto....cfm/ID/161477

The 700 will never be a RPR no matter what you do to it. There is no stock bedding of a RPR like rifle - ever. Its an evolutionary design. The rifle *IS* the chassis. Mark my words: *ALL* precision rifles will work like it eventually.

I'm a *HUGE* 308 fan. But when you look at the avail BCs, it's cartridge OAL jut isn't long enough to fit the high ones (220+gr) w/ enough powder to still push them to reasonable speeds. That takes a mag catridge in 7.62. In a 308 length cartridge the 6.5CM eats its lunch. Then there is the fact that 140gr 6.5 is cheaper than 175gr 308 FGMM. Note: I've never shot a 6.5 round in my life. But I've already bought couple hundred rounds of ammo (plus reloading supplies - Berger 140gr hybrids ) For target shooting at distance its a no brainer.

[Otto]

i had no idea there was a gun click within dorki

i am a long time shooter myself, but kind of a hack, like i am at everything else

this rpr looks interesting

i am a fan of the 7.62 nato

[Trak Ratt]

Originally Posted by OttoBurgess

i had no idea there was a gun click within dorki

if you only knew how funny this is to a long time Dorki boy-o!!! It's like someone walking into a cathedral and commenting on the high ceilings!!!

If there was a Dorkiphus Club House the walk in closet would look something like this: