[William Miller]

Heard this from someone who should know, but I don't really know him.
Heard last year that the market was pretty hot.

Anyone here follow this?
Thoughts?

[racer]

Yes.

The bubble has burst for the average car. The rare or exquisite example is still commanding strong prices, but not where they were 2 years ago.

On the flip, FEWC prices are getting stronger.

[Trak Ratt]

^ I must have missed the memo.....

Will buy in to peaked, but hardly "burst"

[Patrick3000]

Hannah Elliott writes a bunch of crap but according to her, yes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...jaguar-porsche

[Too Tall]

Thank g-d. After owning my 07 997.1 for 5 years I am ready to try something different. The 88/89' prices have been pretty steep.

[TurboPooch]

Well, if you want an answer that is supported by data, listen to this guy, Nathan Merz. He actually knows what he is talking about since this is what he does for a living. Long story short, it depends.....

https://youtu.be/lgOOJgp5d_s

[Mark in Baltimore]

In my observations, I think prices started softening just after the Brexit vote. I should know; I bought at the top of the market for a 38,000 mile, polar silver 993 to replace the race car. Oh, well.

At least in the 993 world, interior color plays a big part in the perceived value to buyers. All-gray and cashmere interiors are less desirable, while black or partial black interiors are sought-after. Exterior color makes a difference; even when the market was hot, black, red, white and midnight blue cars seemed to be sitting on the market. Arctic silver, polar silver and iris blue cars were moving unless they were grossly overpriced. (Holt Motorsports had a 31,000 mile, polar silver/black 993 with PSS-10s and wanted something like $74,000 for the car. It sat for a long time.) Cabriolets are usually less desirable and rarely command top dollar unless it's something rare like a riviera blue/black car.

I think the prices will come back up since the air-cooled cars are such an analog experience and owing to the near-bulletproof nature of the air-cooled motors. No IMS or bore scoring issues to worry about as can occur with the water-cooled cars, although all of the air-cooled motors seem to have some sort of moderate mechanical reckoning to deal with. The motor issues with the newer cars definitely made me rule out 997s and GT4s; I just didn't want to take the chance. I was also looking at late model Cayenne GTS's and fell in love with the handling and power but was deeply dissuaded by the bore scoring issues, a problem for which supposedly oil type has no effect on mitigation (at least according to Jake Raby).

[Vicegrip]

Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore

In my observations, I think prices started softening just after the Brexit vote. I should know; I bought at the top of the market for a 38,000 mile, polar silver 993 to replace the race car. Oh, well.

At least in the 993 world, interior color plays a big part in the perceived value to buyers. All-gray and cashmere interiors are less desirable, while black or partial black interiors are sought-after. Exterior color makes a difference; even when the market was hot, black, red, white and midnight blue cars seemed to be sitting on the market. Arctic silver, polar silver and iris blue cars were moving unless they were grossly overpriced. (Holt Motorsports had a 31,000 mile, polar silver/black 993 with PSS-10s and wanted something like $74,000 for the car. It sat for a long time.) Cabriolets are usually less desirable and rarely command top dollar unless it's something rare like a riviera blue/black car.

I think the prices will come back up since the air-cooled cars are such an analog experience and owing to the near-bulletproof nature of the air-cooled motors. No IMS or bore scoring issues to worry about as can occur with the water-cooled cars, although all of the air-cooled motors seem to have some sort of moderate mechanical reckoning to deal with. The motor issues with the newer cars definitely made me rule out 997s and GT4s; I just didn't want to take the chance. I was looking at late model Cayenne GTSs and fell in love with the handling and power but was deeply dissuaded by the bore scoring issues, a problem for which supposedly oil type has no effect on mitigation (at least according to Jake Raby).

Spot on. All the newer Porsches are almost the same in many ways. Better in lots of ways to the older cars but almost the same as many other brands. The air cooled 911s are a build that will never be replicated. Lots of cool old cars from many makers that are not REAC.

[Goggles Paesano]

Hmmm. Ask someone who paid 300k for a shelby gt500 6 years ago how that is working out. The new Mustang isnt nearly as "visceral" as that Shelby.

[Too Tall]

I've got a dim view of people who speculate on cars which I'd like to hoon the @#$% out of. It's my one and only flaw.