[Vicegrip]

Originally Posted by Jazzbass

In red, there is significantly more awareness of who is who and how fast (relatively) everyone is. I know in general who is faster or slower than me, so if I do get stuck in a train (like, for example, during red/black combined sessions) I'll typically let the faster guys go, even though I'm "next". One thing about doing this is it will often break the mental block of the train conductor - a new car in the rear view gives him that "holy shit" moment and gets the arm out the window. This followed by you coming up behind him immediately after will typically earn you a pass as well. So, in your situation - if I spent two laps behind the conductor without a pass, I'd let the guy behind me go if for no other reason than to try and break the log jam.

Then again, some guys are just egotistical douchebags who will never believe anyone is faster than them and will always be train conductors. These guys have zero track awareness and I like to think we keep them in black

Agree except for keeping them in black. I say keep them off the track. Chronic poor passing should earn a side line chat, during their next run group, at length, with powerpoint and a 10 question essay test. Sadly this should not be an issue if mirrors and arms are in full use. Start gentle and increase as needed. Chat, long chat, real long chat during the run, slash tires, 5 guys with soap in socks in an enclosed trailer, leave car unattended in the dorki dog-pound and watch it get stripped to bare sheet metal.

Bold. All kidding aside. There is no place for this in any non instructed group. By the time you get to the upper groups you should have had more than enough training and correction to know better. Trains are due to training. Lack of training. Passing is no different than pit out procedures or flag reading. Poor pass giving creates unsafe conditions.

Originally Posted by whitecar

" a new car in the rear view gives him that "holy shit" moment and gets the arm out the window. This followed by you coming up behind him immediately after will typically earn you a pass as well. "



This is the key... starts with the 3rd car... just show a different face and it changes quickly... this works in Red.

bob

What sucks is when the guy you were having a good time chasing gets a pass but you don't. Laying back, pit in and out helps but kills you from running with other like time cars at times.

We humans are an odd lot. Too many variables.