Huh? What exaclty does that mean? Are you telling me that if Pari says "If you don't go Matt de Maria, you're crazy, because he's the best" that's bad for his business?

Not funny, but is :lol: Look up FenderGuy in the Pelican Parts Forum and you use what hell I got for that, but right fully so, after a couple of drives in the air cooled car, hmmmm I would have been missing out. Yeah cars come and go I will still be looking... thanks again guys for all the help...

yeah seems like he had a stake in or something , yeah I know people try to point out good shops but some people were pushing that shop ...look I made my choice for the shops and some of the members made it same like I had made a mistake...who said I had? If I was to do another PPI out here for another car I wouldnt go Matts shop just for the mere fact how people were on this board about it, he prob is best but I wont go there...Id go to ASG

You're right - I'd definately stay away from a shop that local guys have personal experience with and swear by. Especially if those local guys have used a lot of the other shops in the area and can give first hand comparisons. And even more so if those same local guys, completely unaffiliated with that shop, also do their own wrenching, so they know when the owner is talking BS and when he knows his stuff.

If you want us to list shops we really don't care about, just say so. I'll be more than happy next time to give you a completely impassionate referral to a shop that would never see my car.

Jazzbass If I recall you never even listed a shop, all you posted was that you agreed with Matts list. If you are so passionate about his shop good for you, I think you have an opinion's on all shops other then Matts, some may have a differnet view then you and these are the people that I wanted to hear from....

Is there something in nasty in your coffee this morning, Chris?? Why take this so darn personally, and respond so spitefully??

All the guy is saying, quite resonably, is that a referral expressed in high school hall terms that says "X is the only shop to use and you are crazy to go anywhere else" is going to be discounted by most people. To criticise a guy for not buying what is clearly an opinion is way out of order. Fact is there are a lot of very experienced and expert Porsche shops in this area. Matt's is definitely one of them, but I doubt he would claim to be the 'only shop to use'. In fact I'm sure he wouldn't!

Lets everyone take the chill pill on this thread, and try to play nicer with the other children, OK?

This might be the first thread ever on this board where I've seen a guy attacked by some Dorki members simply because their opinions were not taken as divine wisdom.

First time I've ever wished that the Mods had taken a hand before this got so out of hand.

Any chance this thread can just die of natural causes? It seems to have run it’s course.

Fender Guy (911Rules), did you even read this whole thread?
The third post was Chris saying:
No one is passionate about any shop, simply because this is a DIY site. Personally I would rather bash my head on the hood of my SC numerous times before putting a hole in my "non existent" wallet because I took it to a shop. I just was a little confused why you needed to point out to us local fellas who know the shops and met the people, which shop you are going to three times like you are going to sway someone's decision in the future.

BTW: I didn't know that I was forcing my opinion on anyone or saying "X is the only shop to use and you are crazy to go anywhere else" . I tried to give as much of an unbiased opinion as I could.
Sure, I may have came off advocating Matt's shop, that is because he asked where is a good place? I even said ASG is a reputable, good shop, I just never had any experience with them. I just felt that since he never took the initative to speak with Matt (or read his post) before he compared his prices to ASG's, I thought I would just chime in that Matt is a good wrench as well. This wasn't an ASG vs. Matt thing, the guy was looking for advice and I was just giving him some. The funny thing is, if I need servicing done I will either take my SC to ASG or Matt depending on what needs to be done :roll: . Those are the only two shops I trust in the area.

FYI, I asked someone to kill this thread OR LOCK IT when it was at two pages, simply because I knew it would blow up into something unnecessary like this. I saw it coming from a mile away. Unfortunately no moderators step in! It seems everyone only gets worked up when I post something. :roll:
Go Figure.

Frank,
FYI my 911SC is originally an Arizona rust free car. It spent half of it's life in Arizona, and the other half in New Mexico.:wink:

Die thread Die!!!!

OK guys, you all know me and I would hope you would all understand my point. But it seems to have been missed. Contrary to what Fenderguy thinks, I did actually recommend a shop (Matt's - 3rd post in the thread), and never said he was crazy for going anywhere else. If fact, I pretty much ignored the rest of the thread where the whole ASG thing happened, mainly because my understanding from people I respect, ASG is the only other shop in this area to take a car to. So please, lets not lump me into the group of people berating this guy for not going to Matt or trying to buy an east coast car without seeing it first. Personally, I don't care where he goes or what he buys.

I just thought his comment that everyone's strong recommendation of Matt is "bad for his business" was idiotic, and I called him on it, just like when others here got a little uncivil with him and Kurt called them on it. It just sounded to me he's implying Matt had everyone here shilling for him - as if people weren't making strong recommendations based on their good experiences with him, but because Matt was paying us off or something ("yeah seems like he had a stake in or something") - and therefore didn't deserve his business. It was a wrong (and completely uneccesary) assertion, and one that, IMO, attempts to cast an undeserved negative image at Matt's shop. So I said something.

911Rules,

Just to clarify a couple things. I don't think folks here were pushing 'that shop' as much as hoping you gave Matt the benefit of the doubt. Matt posts on this board frequently, freely sharing his Porsche wisdom and advice, and the folks here were just trying to give back. To put things in perspective, Matt is to us what John Walker is to PP, he has a strong following. Honestly, your best interest was in mind here.

I know Matt and his work is excellent, and also know the guys at ASG and their work is excellent, and also know other good local shops and would not hesitate taking my car to any of these places. The decision is ultimately up to you, should be respected, and honestly the quality of a PPI from any of these reputable shops shouldn’t differ much.

I don't know what happened here. I logged in this afternoon and saw this thread flare up.

Thread officially dead.