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cmcfaul@aol.com 01-24-2005 07:15 PM

Hmmm :? , so any way to install the sub belt with out making holes in the old girl.

Chris

Jim Richards 01-24-2005 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by }{arlequin
I agree that it's hard to dent the Targa bar enough to be concerned about it in a DE, but at the same time, there's always "Murphy's Law" and it only takes a 1/4" to compress your spine... better mount that bucket *real low*

Recent hillclimb casualty...targa bars do crush. :shock:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1105994045.jpg

racer 01-24-2005 07:49 PM

hmm... one less "short hood" out there. :shock: Sure folded like a deck of cards didn't it.

Jim Richards 01-24-2005 08:09 PM

Imagine if you were held upright by your harnesses / harness bar, and you didn't have a rollbar. On secod thought, that's something I'd prefer not to imagine. :(

Chopper Dropper 01-24-2005 09:47 PM

Never a four point, with other clubs I have refused to instruct if the driver insisted on using a 4 point. They got pissed, but without a sub strap to keep the buckle over your pelvis and or disappearing under the dash, I was not going to be sitting next to a severely injured student. best bet is through the floor, six point is better, but again it should be through the floor, however you can attach to the front of the seat rails on each side. I believe the forces on the sub strap can be taken at those angles attached to the seat rail.Hope I don't see it in anger. The car shown above would probably be in the same state with a roll bar. A hill climb excursion is going to be a lot worse than anything the road course tracks can do, that car may not have left the road that fast but sure tumbled down a hill. Seriously, talk to Sandy Van Leen and ask his experience of rolling his Targa. He spent the next 5 or six years driving DE in the same car without a roll bar. As Kurt says, impacts against some sort of vertical surface are way more common, usually those impacts are against some sort of energy absorbing material Tyre walls or armco.Being held in your seat securely, with your seat securely held in place in the car is your best bang for the buck.
In my relatively few years, I have not seen any personal injury below white run group, in fact the only serious ones (broken bones) have been in Red at DE and club race. The 3 point harness in Porsches (which are damn well built to absorb energy) should suffice till you are commited and at least in white and plan on going further, by then you should have some idea of what you want to do as regards safety systems.
Dirk

}{arlequin 01-25-2005 10:24 AM

Damn Jim, I forgot about that pic... not to mention the fact that a bucket seat will only worsen your chances by keeping you even *more* upright when combined w/ a harness :shock:

Jazzbass 01-25-2005 11:53 AM

Good lord Jim - where did that picture come from? That's frightening.

Jim Richards 01-25-2005 12:10 PM

A recent hillclimb event in the northwest, perhaps Idaho.

flatsixcrazy 01-25-2005 12:37 PM

Hi Charlie,
To take you out of the missery of waiting for the answers, the width of the loops is 3.75" interior and 4.25" exterior. The spacing between the two loops is 6". The spacing between the two interior loops (between driver's and passenger's) is 8.75". If you would like to try the bar out for a season, you can use mine. It's just sitting in my attic collecting dust. Andy

Charlie Stylianos 01-25-2005 12:58 PM

Awesome!!

Thanks again, Andy.

BTW: The interior hoop widths are smaller than the outer? Interesting.

EDIT: (duh...inner dimension/outer dimension difference is due to .25" stock):oops:
I'd take you up on the offer, but the Coupe bars dont fit a Targa.


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