Originally Posted by Carrera51 (Post 407292)

Irfan:
PF Z Rated street pads are nice for that application. Just like Hawk HPS, a great street pad. Like any other street pad, you are going to find them lacking when heated up on the track. They might be OK in green group, but as you progress, you'll wear them out quickly.
I traveled this road 14 years ago when my daily driver was also my DE and autocross car. I tried a compromise pad and ended up with track pads on the car 24/7. I drove the car from green through white group. Like I said in an earlier post, if you are set on tracking your 997S cab, put the proper pads on it for track use.

Originally Posted by Irfan (Post 407173)

Given that some track pads are adequate for street use, and that I don't like the stock pads in the 997 for street use anyway, using 'mild' track pads full-time in the 997 is the direction I'm currently leaning. Not currently interested in spending ~2 hours swapping pads for one track day, and I can live with some squealing on the street. Others may have different priorities.

Originally Posted by Irfan (Post 407186)

I talked with the Performance Friction rep at length about this. They have aftermarket Z-rated carbon metallic pads which are good for the street and a big upgrade over stock pads, and they also consider them good enough for relatively short track day sessions, as we typically have in DEs (but not sustained racing). They're apparently not subject to a lot of fade at high temps, but they may wear faster at high temps, so it's important to keep an eye on them. Unless someone here tells me they've tried them and found them inadequate for occassional DEs, I'm tempted to give them a shot. A bit more info here: http://www.performancefriction.com/a...rake-pads.aspx

Originally Posted by Carrera51 (Post 407292)

Irfan:
PF Z Rated street pads are nice for that application. Just like Hawk HPS, a great street pad. Like any other street pad, you are going to find them lacking when heated up on the track. They might be OK in green group, but as you progress, you'll wear them out quickly.

I traveled this road 14 years ago when my daily driver was also my DE and autocross car. I tried a compromise pad and ended up with track pads on the car 24/7. I drove the car from green through white group. Like I said in an earlier post, if you are set on tracking your 997S cab, put the proper pads on it for track use.

Originally Posted by Vicegrip (Post 407309)

Tables are set with forks and spoons. A fork sucks at soup, a spoon is not so hot at stabbing up a mouthfull of salad and we all hate "sporks" ;)

Originally Posted by Vicegrip (Post 407309)

PF-97 can take heat OK but still has OK torque cold but you will have to be care full of the dust as it binds to stuff after it gets wet.

I used Z rated pads and noted this earler in this thread. I was unhappy with them in a 90HP 2140 pound car in green and blue run groups. Just an opinion here.... If I can over drive them in my litle green car you will roast them in a 997. If this is not enough and I suspect it is just that, not enough, read the next quote down. He is not selling coolaid.

Most racers see more track time in a DE than a race weekend.

^this is from a guy that has been on the track for many years and works for a company that sells peformance brake pads. don't get caught up in parcing Green from Blue. it is how hard you are on brakes. some are hardr on brakes when learing than later when they brake less and go faster. What is the fun in having to drive gently just to preserve wrong formulation pads? Try the Z rated and see for yourself. Please report back so others have a nother data point. Or Go with a PF-97 type compound and be good at washing the wheels.

Tables are set with forks and spoons. A fork sucks at soup, a spoon is not so hot at stabbing up a mouthfull of salad and we all hate "sporks" ;)

Originally Posted by BlackTalon (Post 407312)

:?

I *loved* sporks when I was a kid! You can shoot the plastic 'tines' about 50 feet! :cool:

...my wife won't let me play with sporks, so I have to live through other kids now :(

Originally Posted by roundel (Post 407322)

Avoid PF 97s. The iron oxide is a horror with whatever it touches if it gets wet. Hawk HT10 uses brass as the binder and cleans off easily without damage. Don't be the guy that attends a DE (drivers EDUCATION) and then won't drive on the skidpad or in the rain because his pads will become demonic if they get wet.

I am glad to see the logic of track pads is sinking in. FWIW when I 1st got my 911 I had about 200 track days in other cars but wanted to learn the weird dynamics of a 911 on 11 year old street tires. I figured a sport pad would suffice in my 200 hp 2800 lb car on Flintsone tires. I was wrong. They were vaporized to the backing plates in about 6 sessions while I thought I was pussy footing it.