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TD in DC 03-13-2006 07:02 PM

Well, you would simply need to know in advance exactly how you would want your car towed. I am not saying that people would have to modify their cars, but they must think in advance about towing points and communicate that in advance to the tech guys. If you can't explain to the tech guys how your car should be towed, and they don't understand/approve of your theory, then they could probably help you figure it out. You don't get a tech sticker until you have a clue about how you can ensure that you will not muck up the track time for everyone else. This will also prevent people from accidentally removing their tow hooks and leaving them in the paddock.

In short, if you have no idea about how you get towed out, no soup for you!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

Noah 03-13-2006 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OldTee
As far as going elsewhere, Noah has a point but I'm not sure it should carry a lot of weight. We are all free to shop elsewhere if the club does not fulfill our requirements.

Why is this attributed to me? I've never said anything like that in any shape, matter, or form, online, in the paddock, or anywhere. Why do people keep attributing things to me inaccurately? This is the third time this has happened... :roll:

BlackTalon 03-13-2006 07:15 PM

How about this: If you have no idea how to drive a 944 without breaking it, you're now allowed out on the track! :-)

Of course that would eliminate every single Dorki who drives a 944 at the track. Both Eli and VaSteve managed to keep the streak alive this weekend :-(

TD in DC 03-13-2006 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackTalon
How about this: If you have no idea how to drive a 944 without breaking it, you're now allowed out on the track! :-)

Of course that would eliminate every single Dorki who drives a 944 at the track. Both Eli and VaSteve managed to keep the streak alive this weekend :-(

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Bastard ;)

OldTee 03-13-2006 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Noah
Indeed. I'll add to the discussion that for many of us, especially the younger guys (I'm 28 ), track weekends are expensive. Between the registration fee, gas, and tires, it's a big part of some of our budgets. We're limited in the number of events we can participate in not by our schedules, but by our wallets. That's why it's particularly difficult to tolerate sitting in the paddock for almost 45 minutes drinking beer, when we could be out there doing what we paid several hundred dollars to do -- drive the track.


Sorry for my misinterperation of your thoughts above. Mea culpa. I have heard it said, however.
ARF

Noah 03-13-2006 07:32 PM

Universal tow hook usage would be an improvement. Some more track time could be unearthed by using the track for the full 9-5 schedule, rather than ending early for no apparent reason. Also, there are two parallel false grids. If we're not going to do NASA-style run session start/stops, why not have the exiting run group line up on one grid while the entering run group heads out for the track? This way, the entering run group doesn't have to wait for the exiting group to full exit the track and false grid area. I see this being done sometimes, and for only part of an exiting run group. Why not do it every time, for entire run groups? Looking at the schedule, this would probably create 10 minutes of extra track time per day.

Increasing track time is like removing weight off a track car -- every minute (or pound), counts.

I should add that these ideas are being suggested only in a spirit of enthusiasm for driving the track, and wanting the Potomac experience to be as enjoyable as possible. I personally don't believe in, and haven't seen, an attitude of "us vs. them" when it comes to the Dorki members of Potomac. I think everyone in the club wants essentially the same thing, which is to drive the wheels off our Porsches at the track as often, and for as long, as possible.

}{arlequin 03-13-2006 08:04 PM

why don't we just cut to the chase...

1) the premise is that some want 3 sessions, some want 4. the ones that want 3 are already satisfied. if the change was made to 4 sessions, would the "friends of 3 sessions" be opposed to driving the 4th one and sit out or would they drive anyway?

2) while not favored by some, it is *possible* to have 4 sessions.

3) we know it can be done, so now the question is will it be done? if the predisposition is to answer 'no', then there isn't much point in lengthening this discussion. if there is a possible 'yes but we would have to make some changes' then let's hear about the necessary changes and see what we can do to help ease those changes.

VaSteve 03-13-2006 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TD in DC
Well, you would simply need to know in advance exactly how you would want your car towed. I am not saying that people would have to modify their cars, but they must think in advance about towing points and communicate that in advance to the tech guys. If you can't explain to the tech guys how your car should be towed, and they don't understand/approve of your theory, then they could probably help you figure it out. You don't get a tech sticker until you have a clue about how you can ensure that you will not muck up the track time for everyone else. This will also prevent people from accidentally removing their tow hooks and leaving them in the paddock.

In short, if you have no idea about how you get towed out, no soup for you!!!!!!!!!! :lol:


I'm not sure how to feel about this. I was part of the problem this weekend rather than the solution when my new-to-me 944 crapped out in turn 1 and had to be towed back. At least I got to experience the 944 Victory Lap. :lol:

I always assumed that the porsches had some way to tie them to the truck when delivered and thus the tow truck could pull me by that. I was wrong and we towed it by the roll bar.

I had some time alone to reflect on not having any way to get it out. I felt really bad about f*ing it up for others, but once we got me free, I saw them all back out on the track. Sh*t happens and while this board had the peer pressure to not ruin track time for others, the focus should be on safety, etc. Since I had an instructor with me, he said not to worry about the black flags. It certainly was a (another) learning experience for me with emergency procedures and the rest of the greenies with how to deal with a black flag.

I guess what I'm getting at is this: peer pressure of losing track time for the others adds another level of complexity to an already full matrix of things to think about :? . As we press the boundaries on the track occasionally we will exceed one. If we are always concerned with ensuring we don't mess it up for everyone else it inhibits the learning.

realroadrage 03-13-2006 08:38 PM

This is either a silly suggestion or an obviously simple suggestion: why not run half of SP events with 3 sessions and the other half with 4? 2 things could happen: 1) everyone is happy some of the time, or 2) the 3-haters skip the 3 session events, the 4-haters skip the 4-session events, and there are fewer cars out there, which would benefit everyone.

}{arlequin 03-13-2006 08:43 PM

sometimes simplicity is best wheras throwing away 40 minutes of PAID FOR tracktime is silly.


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