Potomac Question HPDC Question

[Doug E]

Anybody know the answer to my question which was posted on the Potomac board regarding the new HPDC requirement?

I haven't seen a response yet from Art and curiosity is getting the better of me :wink:

TIA

http://www.pcapotomac.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=000609

[rs911t]

Doug,

I don't believe this applies to you. They literally mean 1st time driver's ed participants. I, too, think this is a good idea. But, remember, I also believe the skid pad is a great exercise! :wink:

You goin' to the 10/13 DE??

[APKhaos]

Art will confirm, but the idea is to require HPDC for new 'double green' track virgins as a pre-req for DE.

Old track dogs like Doug, Bill, Mark, Richard, Ted, Maurice et al are way past the point of virginity [in this respect, at least].

[Jim Richards]

Now I qualify as a DE virgin, even though the upcoming HPDC will be my 3rd.

[APKhaos]

Sorry Jim - I remembered that you had multiple HPDCs under your belt, which should mean you too are deflowered [for the purposes of the current rule under consideration only].

[rs911t]

Jim - did you get into the 10/13 Zone 2 gig?

[Doug E]

Thanks for the clarification Tony. Hopefully Art will confirm the same.

Greg - no, I can't make 10/13. Something called work keeps getting in the way :cry:

[bettyc]

Actually I don't think the HPDC requirement is only for green/green virgins. I believe that the idea is that anyone having a HPDC in their background gives them preference especially where a waitlist is concerned for green or blue. Art will of course have to confirm. Be paitent. He's probably getting a lot of email right now and they are spending their efforts securing a Nov 1-2 event for Potomac. If in doubt it might be a good idea to attend one of the HPDC's coming up. There is no wait list and they're still looking for instructors (hint, hint). Even if you've done a de or two the HPDC has much to offer.

Betty

[Trak Ratt]

As already stated HPDC’s are fun even if you have some DE time. It also gives you an opportunity to try a different car on the track. Remember this is about the only time a non P car can participate in a PCA event. We’ve seen Taurus’s, BMWs, VWs, & the occasional MB, not to mention the infamous rental Neon!

[Jim Richards]

Sorry Jim - I remembered that you had multiple HPDCs under your belt, which should mean you too are deflowered
I feel violated. :roll:

Greg, I'm in for the Columbus Day DE. Now, I just have to get Dino ready. :?

[Marc A]

Without debating the benefits of attending a HPDC or making it a prerequisite to being accepted to a DE or giving attendees "preference especially where a waitlist is concerned for green or blue " I do not believe it would be fair to apply this rule retroactively.

I could not, due to work schedule, attend the 1st HPDC that was offered this season, but the schedule did allow for a couple of DEs. Both of the SP DEs included skid pad time which was alot of fun. The 3 days at VIR, which included a wet track session was very instructive.

Now to say . . . . no DE or someone is getting a preference over other members who might have 3 to 14 track days, have soloed, or have moved up to blue is IMHO over managing.

[Doug E]

Sounds like we need some official clarification here. I certainly hope the requirement is not for use relating to preferential treatment.

Dave R - I hear you about the non-P car aspect but imagine my surprise when at the recent Schattenbaum event there was a Ferrari 348 Challenge car, a Jenson, a BMW M3 and an RX-7. Sure made for some interesting sight seeing :)

[Charlie Stylianos]

I wonder if this applies to new, or soon to become, PCA members with track time under their belt....hmmmm

[Vicegrip]

I cannot speak for Art but I was present during the DE planning meeting last month.

This is not "the word" but only as it was left at the meeting, things might have changed.

One one day HPDC or some other related type on track experence will be required for DE in the comming year. With that this only relates to 0/0 Green students. The thought is to smooth out the Green group and for members to get more from their early events. Rather than comming to the track with no idea of what to expect regarding how things work both on and off the track students will have a basis to work from. This should ease the info overload sometimes experenced during the early part of the learning curve.

Prior experence only sets run group placement not any list preference.

There will be more HPDCs and or other entry type events planned so folks that come into the club or see the light later in the season will have a chance to get in. there is still room in Zone 2 HPDC so if you plan to try DE next year you can get in now or go to one of the 2 one day HPDCs that Potomac will run next year.

[Mackpipes]

Please forgive my ignorance, :oops: but what is a double green. I have one HPDC and one DE. Does being cleared for solo mean anything for future DE's or just the one you got cleared for?

Ted

[Vicegrip]

0/0 or Green Green = no track experence at all. None zero zip.

[Marc A]

Ted:

You WERE almost a double green before VIR . . . . solo only goes to the specific event . . . . as to the future . . . . I'm thinking fast track to blue . . . go get'em tiger 8)

[Mackpipes]

I want to stay in green. I kind of liked terrorizing the rest of the new meats with my other two accomplices :twisted:

[Jim Richards]

Gulp. :oops: I'm starting to get nervous, Ted.

[DonNewton]

"I want to stay in green. I kind of liked terrorizing the rest of the new meats with my other two accomplices."

-tsk, tsk. . .you can take the boy out of the teams, just can't take the team out of the boy. Too bad I can't assign you permanently to TK. :P

[Marc A]

Speaking of terrorization . . . . has anyone seen or heard from a lime green early car lately???

[Mackpipes]

Yea, I passed him on an on ramp. Only this time I gave him the patented Ted one finger passing signal. I think I saw him cursing and pounding his steering wheel. :wink:

P.S. Hooya instructor Kelly!

[DonNewton]

"P.S. Hooya instructor Kelly!"

Anyone seen a sugar cookie lately?

[Mackpipes]

NOOOOOOOO! :shock:

[Vicegrip]

OK, you gonna have to explain that one...


So you like to pick on the 0/0s... We might have to talk to Art and see if you can get a day in White. :wink:

[Marc A]

So you like to pick on the 0/0s... We might have to talk to Art and see if you can get a day in White. :wink:

Don't get Ted wrong . . . we (Dorkies) were given pointers by a few other Greenies that obviously had much more track time than we had so we just took there advice to heart :wink:

[Mackpipes]

Sugar Cookie- A SEAL trainee made to roll in the sand after hitting the surf. Comes out looking like a "sugar cookie". Unfortunately you have to spend the rest of the day wet and sandy. :(

[APKhaos]

Kurt,
Don't feel bad. I introduced Don to Ted at VIR, then stood back as they lapsed into navy/covert dialect.

As for instructing Ted, I think I might need a few key cue words from Don to use at appropriate moments :twisted:

[DonNewton]

Sugar Cookie: A synonym for attitude adjustment. :twisted: Usually followed by a trip around the 'course, or a "few" sets of push ups (and I don't mean the ice cream or the undergarment!). TK, you need'em, I got'em! :lol:

[Trak Ratt]

Being “signed off” for a DE gives you the privilege of driving solo in the remaining runs of that DE. The next DE starts the process over again, new instructor new chance to be signed off. Solo also gives the “management” a chance to asses your ability to drive fast with others. A critical necessity to advance. It really is an ego boost, but remember when no one else is in the car w/you there is no feed back or advice on your performance or that early turn in!

[Mackpipes]

While I do talk alot of smack, I do realize I have only done one DE. I'm alot greener than all of the track Dorki. I do look forward to being taught by other instructors. Pete Kauffman was perfect for my first DE. I really liked his teaching style. I did have a bad experience with a Potomac instructor at the HPDC I went to. He had this holier than thou attitude. Like I was a moron until I proved to him otherwise. Pete was calm cool and colected, talked to me as an adult, not a preschooler. I appreciated that, and was more open to his input. I hope I don't come off as an "instant track expert". :oops: I'm just really stoked about catching the track bug. :D

Ted

[Marc A]

Maybe your first instructor knew something that Mr. Kaufman (after all he is the president elect) didn't :lol:

[Mackpipes]

Don't make me post "The picture". :twisted:

[APKhaos]

On the solo thing......

The more your learn, the more you find there is to learn. The idea of solo is consolidation of the skills you have learned already. This is probably not a good time to try something new. Use the solo time to consolidate.

The next event, your new instructor will see that you were solo last event and will work on some new skills, line refinement, etc that you can consolidate in solo runs later that event.

This keeps going until you are promoted to White run group, but there is no reason it should not keep going for a lot longer than that. FWIW, I ask an instructor to ride with me every event. With the advantage of being able to choose the instructor, I aim for someone who really knows the specific track, or who is clearly faster than me in a section I'm having trouble with, or who has a similar car, etc. You will find that this will really help you refine your style and technique.

The great thing is that PCA instruction is free. Get as much as you can.

[Marc A]

Don't make me post "The picture". :twisted:


Noooooo anything but that :oops:

[DonNewton]

:) Don't you just love "Leverage"? :o

[Vicegrip]

Come on, post it! I'll throw in some lift time this winter.

[Marc A]

Come on, post it! I'll throw in some lift time this winter.

Now thats COLD :shock:

Who was instructing that guy in the Turbo S any way :lol:

[rs911t]

Turbo S ! Cool !! :D

What picture .... ?

[Jazzbass]

Now I qualify as a DE virgin, even though the upcoming HPDC will be my 3rd.
Which day are you going - Sat or Sun? Anyone else going? They gave me a pick of either day, so I figure I might as well see some familiar faces. Of course, I'd never expect to see a grizzled old track warrior like Ted out there at a HPDC...

[Mackpipes]

Silly Chris, how on earth could I possibly lower myself to attend such a sophomoric event. Have you not heard of my track prowess? :wink:

[Jim Richards]

Yeah, Ted's big time now. :wink: Chris, I'm scheduled for Saturday; however, I have a nagging significant oil leak on the 73E to resolve first. :x

[Jase007]

JR:

If you have more than three drops in a week I think the RL manual "requires" an engine drop :lol:

Jason

[Jim Richards]

I have more than 3 drops per week. :shock: