Bought a car / MD temp tags?

[smdubovsky]

Buying a new(er) porsche in IL and was wondering how to get it back to MD. Was going to fly out, exchange the papers & signatures, and drive back.

1) Can you get temp tags in MD? I searched the mva website and they say you need all the normal title stuff. Im pretty sure that means I have to have the title in hand, which obviously wont be happening until I get back. Any other option other than 'borrowing' tags off one of my other vehicles for a few days? Anyone know a small dealer that will issue 60-days tags?

2) The owner never re-titled the car. He has the blank signed over title from the 1st owner. I get the very distinct impression he drove it (sparringly) for ~2yrs by just 'borrowing' the plates of one of his mercedes. (sounds like he has lots of money, several mercs, lives downtown, has boat in annapolis, etc.) Will this be a problem? (I don't think so, but always good to ask.)

More details & pics once I get it back:twisted:

Edit: I swear I remember some of this stuff being covered but couldn't find it in a search.

[pjalexandre]

First off Congrats!!!. Surprised MD doesn't. I know that VA has a temp tag you can print out from their website after you pay some nominal fee. Good for 48 hours or something.

[HoodPin]

Buying a new(er) porsche in IL and was wondering how to get it back to MD. Was going to fly out, exchange the papers & signatures, and drive back.

1) Can you get temp tags in MD? I searched the mva website and they say you need all the normal title stuff. Im pretty sure that means I have to have the title in hand, which obviously wont be happening until I get back. Any other option other than 'borrowing' tags off one of my other vehicles for a few days? Anyone know a small dealer that will issue 60-days tags?

2) The owner never re-titled the car. He has the blank signed over title from the 1st owner. I get the very distinct impression he drove it (sparringly) for ~2yrs by just 'borrowing' the plates of one of his mercedes. (sounds like he has lots of money, several mercs, lives downtown, has boat in annapolis, etc.) Will this be a problem? (I don't think so, but always good to ask.)

More details & pics once I get it back:twisted:

Edit: I swear I remember some of this stuff being covered but couldn't find it in a search.

The signed-over-only title may be a problem. MD MVA is very strict about title documentation, and unless there's a bonafide place on that title for your name as a buyer, you will have problems. I went thru this with a car purchase. One reason for the PO's practice is/was to avoid paying taxes on the purchase. Unless the PO is bonafide dealer/wholesaler, who can hold title without paying taxes & has entered their name in the proper block of the title, MD will probably not accept the title.

With respect to the tags, I purchased a car once where the buyer and I worked out an written agreement in the bill of sale, where he "loaned" me his tags for a discreet period of time. I was obligated to provide insurance (my insurance was ok to do this because I had a valid bill of sale and the properly signed over title). When I got it home, I mailed the tags back to him. MD doesn't seem to want to provide "transporter" tags to ordinary citizens. However, if you have any connections with a dealer/wholesaler/etc., maybe you can borrow their transporter tag.

[tbernard]

There used to be temp tag in md, it was 7 or 9 days. But from the looks of things now, you need to do your title work first, then you can get a 30 day temp tag.

"If you purchase a used vehicle and cannot transport it to an inspection station to have the vehicle safety inspected, you may request a 30-day temporary registration when you title your vehicle. To apply for the temporary registration plate, you must complete a temporary inspection waiver (form # VR-129). There is a fee for the temporary registration."

[SpeedBump]

last one I bought I used one of my tags from another porsche. One before that I taped a piece of paper in the back window that looked like something from one of those states who don't do temp tags. Both times I drove home at a rather slow speed. :)

[John Clay]

As I recall, I got my temp transit tags from the state I bought the car in (PA).

[tadel001]

No temp tags without a title in Maryland. Tony has it nailed! If the titled was filled out between the PO and the person he bought it from, then it gets a lot more complicated. The PO would have to title it and then sign the new title over to you. Maryland can be a complete pain in the @ss about title stuff.

What did you get?

[markwemple]

Can you temp tag it in Il?

[OldTee]

Put insurance on it. After you get a clean title, take that to MD DMV and get temp plates. Or, consider closing your eyes and take a set of plates with you and drive home on those. The fine for using plates can't be too much as long as there is insurance on it. But, get the title fixed before you buy it or all you will own is a lump sitting in your driveway. He doesn't want to title it becasue he will have to pay the Il taxes. If you don't get either MD or IL temps take a title application from MD with you and fill it out. This is not a clean sale, go slow and don't get too far ahead of the process.

[smdubovsky]

Thanks guys.

1) After more internet searching: IL does issue a "7 day permit" ($10) for out of state residents to transport a vehicle. Now I just need to figure out where/what time to get it and make sure my the travel plans put me there during business hours. Im sure I'll have to stand in line somewhere... (I'll take my plates as a backup)

2) Im pretty sure its a blank buyer field on the title but will make SURE. I've had a friend w/ that problem and it was a PITA. Im just wondering what MD will think of the sale date possibly being ~2yrs ago (if they notice?) Technically, I'll bet its not illegal to buy a vehicle and never title or drive it. So if they notice I might get guff over it from the mva but Im *HOPING* they don't give me too much trouble.

FWIW, driving w/ tags on the wrong vehicle in MD is a sum 'donation' of ~$350 IIRC. Been there, done that. Oh, and it also helps while you're doing it that your buddy riding shotgun doesn't yell 'COP!' and plainly point at him though the window. That doesn't get the cops attention at all:roll:

[OldTee]

Noterized bill of sale with price to get a title in MD now-a-days. Without it pray.
ARF

[HoodPin]

Noterized bill of sale with price to get a title in MD now-a-days. Without it pray.
ARF

John,
I'm not 100% sure about this.......
I think the notarized bill of sale is required in the event the sale price written on the title is not consistent with their NADA values. If NADA says its worth $10K and you claim you paid $5K, MD MVA will want to tax you at $10K, unless you have a notarized bill of sale that says $5K.

I'm not sure that the notarized bill of sale alone is sufficient for MD MVA to establish a clean title transfer. But heck.....I've been wrong plenty before..:p

Steve,
I would suggest getting a copy of the title faxed/emailed to you in advance so that you can see EXACTLY how and what is filled out. In my previous situation, the owner printed on the title's front, conveyed the title to the next buyer, who's information was hand written on the back. But the buyer never titled it. MD MVA would not accept the title for my subsequent purchase. I had to get the PO to get me a clean title with his name printed on it (which meant he had to pay taxes.....). Needless to say it was a point of much discussion between us. :roll:

I believe I have actually seen a title from another State, where there was space for a 2nd buyer to be entered on the back; probably because taxes aren't collected for car sales or MVA's are few & far between. Also note that some titles have a special conveyance block for dealers/wholesalers only. MD MVA will confirm the validity of the dealer/wholesaler listed in the block before accepting (I've been thru this, too). Unless the title has an explicit block for you to enter your name as the buyer, they won't accept. But........if the PO bought the car, but never filled out the buyer portion, then you should be golden. If MD MVA somehow determines that the car was never titled or registered for 2 years, you could simply say it was being restored during that period, and was off the road.

Good luck! As mentioned, take it slow and it should all work out. IMHO, make sure you have all the puzzle pieces figured out before trekking out to IL.

[SpeedBump]

If you are flying out be prepared to be pulled from line and have the swab tests done. Especially if you buy a one way ticket the night before like I did the last time. Heck I couldn't check in on line or even at a kiosk. I knew it was going to be a long time at security after that.

Noterized bill of sale with price to get a title in MD now-a-days. Without it pray.
ARF
Only if the vehicle is 7 years old or newer and it the sale price listed is not in line with their values.

[smdubovsky]

Don't worry, while Im eager to get the car Im not moving until all this title stuff is straightened out. I've had my own fair share of title problems w/ the mva before (like try registering a trailer bought from a dealer, which turns out to be repo'd, but you (nor the dealer) has the proper repo form, and the state that it was legally repo'd in doesn't issue them.)

The plot thickens...

Car was bought in NJ. Title is signed over from 1st owner to the NJ dealership. The dealership provided a bill of sale to the current (2nd) owner. No NJ tax was paid since hes out of state. That should have been everything he needed to get an IL title...

Called the MVA. MD won't accept title signed over to dealer->bill of sale->subsequent bill of sale. They tell me the car MUST be titled in the current owners name.

So unless he titles the car in IL and pays 6.75% tax I don't see how its possible. Contact the orig dealer and see if they'll issue a 2nd bill of sale direct to me? (for a fee of course. Is that even legal?)

I've only lived in VA & MD. Do all states have strict laws like this? (not that I really blame them)

[cmartin]

I'm not 100% sure about this.......
I think the notarized bill of sale is required in the event the sale price written on the title is not consistent with their NADA values. If NADA says its worth $10K and you claim you paid $5K, MD MVA will want to tax you at $10K, unless you have a notarized bill of sale that says $5K.

Only if the car is less than 7 yrs old.

[HoodPin]

..........
Called the MVA. MD won't accept title signed over to dealer->bill of sale->subsequent bill of sale. They tell me the car MUST be titled in the current owners name.

So unless he titles the car in IL and pays 6.75% tax I don't see how its possible. ............

Bingo. Hopefully the seller doesn't try to stick you with a 6.75% price increase. Book values are based upon clean title, which means all is up to date, including taxes. He's gonna have to pay the taxes, unless he either sells it someone who's gonna make a track-only racy car, or finds a buyer in a state/country/etc. that doesn't give a crap about title chains. And in those cases, the price better be at least 6.75% below market.....

Hang in there baby.......;)

[zahjah]

Thanks guys.

1) After more internet searching: IL does issue a "7 day permit" ($10) for out of state residents to transport a vehicle. Now I just need to figure out where/what time to get it and make sure my the travel plans put me there during business hours. Im sure I'll have to stand in line somewhere... (I'll take my plates as a backup)


what about the possability of using a tag n title company within close proximity of the vehicle? might allow you to avoid "standing in line somewhere"

[smdubovsky]

What's REALLY going to suck (for him), that if he titles it in IL it'll be taxed at the price he paid 2 yrs ago. The car is an '06 so thats probably about 2x what current market value is!

There are 4 states w/o no sales tax. It only takes a utility bill & credit card/bank statement sent to a cheap appt addr in DE to setup residency. Still have to apply for it in person though. Still, would be WAY less expensive than paying tax on the old value.