View Full Version : 1987 Carrera Coupe
racer
10-04-2007, 11:31 AM
Anyone know this car/person?
http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/420496027.html
Blur80
10-04-2007, 11:50 AM
Is this car an automatic? I can't see a stick in the pictures.
Jazzbass
10-04-2007, 11:57 AM
Is this car an automatic? I can't see a stick in the pictures.
No such thing. Closest you got was the sporotmatic, which was really a manual transmission with an automatic clutch, and these were no more by the time the Carrera came around. These cars were build for real sports car people.
good hands
10-04-2007, 12:11 PM
These cars were build for real sports car people.
Doh ! I think that was a 997 jab :twisted:
Blur80
10-04-2007, 12:14 PM
Yeah. I caught that. Fortunately I have Dorki skin. I don't have a problem asking dumb questions. More to come, I assure you.
Jazzbass
10-04-2007, 12:29 PM
Well, it honestly wasn't a jab. Just a fact. Early 911s, 914s and 356s were more raw sports cars than the 911s of today, which are better classes as grand touring cars. Different cars built for different purposes.
Not trying to argue about "soul" or "what is a real Porsche" or anything like that, just an observation based on fact. The later Carrera started to veer towards the GT line, it's true, but by the time the 996 came around the transformation was complete.
dholling13
10-04-2007, 12:37 PM
In what part of the time line between raw sports car to GT touring car does the 964 fit?
good hands
10-04-2007, 12:44 PM
In what part of the time line between raw sports car to GT touring car does the 964 fit?
The 964 is almost like a 2 door sedan :lol:
Mark in Baltimore
10-04-2007, 12:49 PM
The 964 has to be a sports car because everyone knows the 993, however bloated it may be, is still a sports car. . . ;)
brianr
10-04-2007, 12:50 PM
The 964 is almost like a 2 door sedan :lol:
But like a pretty nice 2 door. Not a base model :lol:
http://www.analogstereo.com/images/om/chevrolet_monte_carlo.jpg
Mike W
10-04-2007, 01:13 PM
Well, it honestly wasn't a jab.
But it worked well anyhow. I'd go with it. :)
Doesn't look like a bad car Dave.
Price is good. Mileage?
Might be worth at least checking out.
>200K miles on original (not rebuilt) engine. Only a matter of time...
Interesting he's asking 14K, but his eBay "Buy It Now" price is $13.5K
Might be worth offering $10,500 after it fails to hit 10 on eBay--the stereo alone is worth $$.
Any of the mid-VA folks want to go by and take a look at it?
HoodPin
10-04-2007, 01:38 PM
Dave,
That sounds like a pretty nice car. If you don't get, I may have to...:bang:
http://tonyp.smugmug.com/photos/204019301-M.jpg
I'm sick I tell ya......
Mike W
10-04-2007, 01:39 PM
Still would be worth taking a look.... especially for 10. The redo the engine, tranny and suspension and good to go.... until something else breaks ;)
racer
10-04-2007, 01:54 PM
>200K miles on original (not rebuilt) engine. Only a matter of time...
Interesting he's asking 14K, but his eBay "Buy It Now" price is $13.5K
Might be worth offering $10,500 after it fails to hit 10 on eBay--the stereo alone is worth $$.
Any of the mid-VA folks want to go by and take a look at it?
Ahh.. didn't realize it was on ebay as well. Sent him an email but hadn't heard back yet.
Blur80
10-04-2007, 01:56 PM
Well, it honestly wasn't a jab.
No offense taken. Resposne was up for interpretation before your second post, but I just let such things roll of my back and focus on the important content. I'll keep ask'n questions, and I'll take the value where I find it.
berettafan
10-04-2007, 02:27 PM
There was a full on track package for sale in the last Pano for $25k. 3.2, trailer, xtra wheels and tires, etc.
Jazzbass
10-04-2007, 02:48 PM
In what part of the time line between raw sports car to GT touring car does the 964 fit?
To be sure this is a dumb argument, but I'm a little slow @work today so let's have it none the less. Here's one person's opinion (mine) of the progression:
8325
Depending who you are (and how old you are), you'll say the line between "sports car" and "GT" is in one of three places - the green line, the blue line and the red line. IMO, nothing before the green line is up for debate - it really doesn't get any more raw than a 356 or a SWB 67 911. Between the green and blue lines the cars were built on the same basic platform, but go a lot heavier and refined with power stuff and soundproofing. The fun thing about these cars is you can get back to the earlier, raw feeling by ripping a lot of that stuff out.
The 964 was the first true redesign of the 911 and was a significant leap forward in the progression towards a real GT car. I'd argue that that was the true dividing point. IMO, that's when the 911 went from a "GT-like sports car" to a "sports-car-like GT car". The transformation to pure GT was complete with the 996.
dholling13
10-04-2007, 03:06 PM
Yeah I agree my car's AC and power steering make it more GT like; thanks for taking time to make a very TD like argument. Speaking of; where is Dr. Graph with his version or even analysis for that matter?
racer
10-04-2007, 03:06 PM
mm charts.. where is TD?
Mike W
10-04-2007, 03:14 PM
TD doesn't make graphs... TD has graphs made for him. TD then discusses the graphs ad nauseum. :)
smdubovsky
10-04-2007, 03:56 PM
Jazz, I added some info to your graph (though in retrospect, I guess I left out the 904.)
Anyone care to add the FEWCs? Those would be easy - a straight line across the bottom;)
markwemple
10-04-2007, 05:49 PM
I'd say there should be more of a dip at the 964 then a whopping drop at the 996.
Jazzbass
10-04-2007, 06:48 PM
Jazz, I added some info to your graph (though in retrospect, I guess I left out the 904.)
Anyone care to add the FEWCs? Those would be easy - a straight line across the bottom;)
The sample set was rear engined Porsches in the 911 lineage, not all Porsches. You mid engined guys always find an opportunity to show off the shoulder chip you have :lol:
Trak Ratt
10-04-2007, 07:31 PM
The sample set was rear engined Porsches in the 911 lineage, not all Porsches. You mid engined guys always find an opportunity to show off the shoulder chip you have :lol:
Everyone has ‘baggage.” After packing the 964 for 5 fun filled days in Detroit for two I can only say if you have a 911 you can’t have much. 914s and chicksters have two (2) trunks! Nuf said :roll:
BTW - Dave; sorry don't know anything about the car
SilverStreak
10-04-2007, 08:02 PM
You mid engined guys always find an opportunity to show off the shoulder chip you have :lol:
You know the first one was mid-engined right? The one from which all others were born including the fabled 911? Mid-engined. Without that first mid-engined platform where would you be today? Don't discount the presence of the mid-engined Porsches and their importance to the longevity of the marque. :D
Just piling on :lol:
SilverStreak
10-04-2007, 08:06 PM
Dave,
How much do you want to spend? I know of a 993 that is a good candidate for a track car. I know the owner and we'll be putting it up here soon. He's fixing the sunroof and getting rear tires. It's going to be priced well.
racer
10-04-2007, 08:17 PM
Dave,
How much do you want to spend? I know of a 993 that is a good candidate for a track car. I know the owner and we'll be putting it up here soon. He's fixing the sunroof and getting rear tires. It's going to be priced well.
Teens
Jazzbass
10-04-2007, 08:19 PM
You know the first one was mid-engined right? The one from which all others were born including the fabled 911? Mid-engined. Without that first mid-engined platform where would you be today? Don't discount the presence of the mid-engined Porsches and their importance to the longevity of the marque. :D
Just piling on :lol:
Well, technically the car the first 356 was derived from was a rear engined car, the VW Sedan Kdf-Wagen Type 12. And before that was an electric car with motors in the front hubs designed by Herr Dr. Porsche when he was 20 called the System Lohner-Porsche. So there. Why do you always have to discount the electric car in the evolution of Porsche?
What do these cars I mention have to do with the evolution of the 911 from a sports car to a GT car? Not a goddamn thing. Just like the mid engined cars you discuss. The idea of "when did the light weight and nimble 911 turn into an overweight bloated road hog" really has nothing to do with 550s, 914s, 944s or Boxsters. Sorry guys. If you're going to try and "pile on", do it right. :D
SilverStreak
10-04-2007, 08:26 PM
Well, technically the car the first 356 was derived from was a rear engined car, the VW Sedan Kdf-Wagen Type 12. And before that was an electric car with motors in the front hubs designed by Herr Dr. Porsche when he was 20 called the System Lohner-Porsche. So there. Why do you always have to discount the electric car in the evolution of Porsche?
What do these cars I mention have to do with the evolution of the 911 from a sports car to a GT car? Not a goddamn thing. Just like the mid engined cars you discuss. The idea of "when did the light weight and nimble 911 turn into an overweight bloated road hog" really has nothing to do with 550s, 914s, 944s or Boxsters. Sorry guys. If you're going to try and "pile on", do it right. :D
On the contrary. Maybe Porsche didn't need to address the 911 issues you speak of because they keep producing a "lightweight nimble car" in the form of all those models you listed. It's one more reason for you to despise them as they took the focus away from the 911 ;)
SilverStreak
10-04-2007, 08:27 PM
Teens
It won't be that low.
From what I hear, even the 997 is still fun to drive, even on the track...
Of course, I drive a real Porsche.
Lupin..the..3rd
10-04-2007, 08:45 PM
Bah, this is the only true Porsche. Everything else is a bloated GT car.
Is that at VIR? What was it's lap time?
Jazzbass
10-04-2007, 08:57 PM
On the contrary. Maybe Porsche didn't need to address the 911 issues you speak of because they keep producing a "lightweight nimble car" in the form of all those models you listed. It's one more reason for you to despise them as they took the focus away from the 911 ;)
Either your not good at this or your trying to be very bad at it on purpose. I'm assuming the latter since , well, I know you like doing stuff like that.
So - I despise them? Despise the 550? Fail. Despise the 904 and the 914-6? Fail and fail. I love 911s and I love those cars too. All of them. Boxsters? Meh, not so much. But the only thing the Boxster "takes away" from is the 996 which I feel very "meh" about as well. So you get a fail for that one, too. So why didn't I mention them? Because the point was to talk about how the 911 went from lightweight to heavyweight. Sorry to everyone who's own vehicle model and personal likes weren't mentioned and now somehow is not validated in their purchase choice by my omission.
So, overall you get 4 fails on your argument. That's actually pretty impressive. I bet if you keep going with more absurd theories, pop psychology and a tenuous grasp point of the original point, you can do much better than that. I'm expecting at least a 6 fail reply to this post. :lol:
From what I hear, even the 997 is still fun to drive, even on the track...
And again. Fail. Never said they weren't fun to drive. Just that you can't call them a "sports car" in the original sense of the word. 928s are fun to drive, too. That doesn't make them a sports car, either.
Seltzer
10-04-2007, 09:56 PM
As I was tellin MLin today, having driven my '87 Targa on the track for the past five years and then taking the 996 Turbo out (albeit on the Jefferson Circuit at the HPDC), there still is more of a sense of accomplishment in driving the Targa on the track. The Turbo is definitely faster.....but the Targa seems to be more fun.
Besides, anyone can go fast in a Turbo.
my 2 cents
VaSteve
10-04-2007, 10:07 PM
Nobody mentioned the 924. The one with the Audi engine. :lol: I had a guy tell me at VIR a couple of years ago that they stole the design from a Ferrari. Uhh....
Blur80
10-04-2007, 10:35 PM
From what I hear, even the 997 is still fun to drive, even on the track...
Nah. I am only a track junkie because of the people:p
SilverStreak
10-04-2007, 10:46 PM
the point was to talk about how the 911 went from lightweight to heavyweight.
I guess no one wants to talk about it and . . .
Just that you can't call them a "sports car" in the original sense of the word. 928s are fun to drive, too. That doesn't make them a sports car, either.
The original "sports car" referred to two seat two door rag tops. It has evolved obviously to encompass a wider variety of configurations but you said "original" :roll:
The original "sports car" referred to two seat two door rag tops.Wouldn't that make the TARGA more of a sports car than a coupe. :D
TD in DC
10-05-2007, 05:09 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
I did not see this. OK, well, I am unqualified to make a graph on the topic at hand, because, having owned a Boxster S, a couple of 944s, a 996 and now a 997S, I have yet to own a real Porsche. :crying:
But since my graphs are so popular, here is one for you.
kaefer
10-07-2007, 08:42 AM
Anyone know this car/person?
http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/420496027.html
I don't know the car but depending where it is in Richmond I may be able to take a look at it at some point this week.
If anyone here is getting serious about this car we could bring it over to my workshop and put it up on the lift for a better look. Perhaps also get Rick V involved for a PPI.
Let me know if you're still interested in this car...
vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.