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TD in DC
08-31-2007, 05:40 PM
Today, for the first time, I had the opportunity to drive the club coupe above 45 mph. I thought that some of you might be interested to hear about the differences between the club coupe, which essentially is a 2006 997 S with the X51 power kit (see http://coochas.com/brochures/Resources/997ClubCoupe.pdf ), and my old car, which was a 2002 996. Here are my first impressions, in no particular order.

1. Suspension: For a street sports car, the suspension of the 997 S is incredible, and a substantial improvement over the 996. When I first bought my 996, I was hugely disappointed with the stock suspension. The nose lifted under acceleration and dove under braking. In corners, the car leaned and seemed floaty. I replaced the stock suspension with PSS9s, which was a huge improvement. Nonetheless, the new PASM is very nice. It is much, much stiffer, and yet less harsh. The suspension has two settings: normal and sports. I have yet to use the sport settings too much, because the normal setting feels fine. The best way to describe the car is that it is composed and settled. It certainly is not a race suspension (none of the stock Porsches, even the GT2/GT3s, have a race suspension, although the GT2/GT3s are certainly closer), but it is very, very stable. Car leans a little bit, but only under hard cornering, and the dampeners do a great job of keeping the tires on the pavement without transmitting harshness. I can't wait to see how it would do at track speeds. I bet that it would be very predictable. Familiar corners with disturbances at mid corner (e.g., northbound on canal road when you take the right hand corner to cut from clara barton pkwy to 495 north) are handled with aplomb. Huge improvement.

2. Motor: The 996s had 325 hp (or 320 depending upon your source). The Stock 997 S has 355 HP at 6,600 rpm, while the club coupe has 381 HP at 7,200 rpm. But the real story, at least from my first impression, is the torque. The stock 997 S has 295 lb-ft of torque at 4,600, while the club coupe has 306 lb-ft of torque at 5,500. Now, you might say 11 lb-ft of torque isn't much, but I swear it feels so much gruntier all across the power band. The places you feel it the most are really low in the band and towards the upper end. The power charts bear this out, and the engine is a joy. The car is deceptively fast. You look down, and you cannot believe how much speed you gained so quickly. The gearing also feels substantially different. It feels like the car is geared much lower, which, frankly, is an improvement since I will never get near the top speed of 186 mph on the street or the track. I have to be careful about the different perception of speed and the lower gearing because the rev matching points have changed: I need to become more accustomed to the proper downshift points so I do not inadvertently overrrev (don't think I ever would, but the car has suprised me a little in that regard). In any event, lots of oomph across the powerband and I will have to really watch myself so that I do not pick up a reckless due to speed alone totally inadvertently. I have found that my perception of speed is about 30 mph lower than what I am actually going. :shock:

Here is a description from Porsche regarding the powerkit.

The 911 Carrera S, 911 Carrera 4S and 911 Targa 4S models offer total power output of 261 kW (355 bhp) as standard. From the moment the key is turned, the flat-six engine will set your heartbeat racing. You can also raise the pulse-rate higher with this exclusive engine conversion. Offering a maximum output of 280 kW (381 bhp), the results are 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) in just 4.6 seconds and 200 km/h (124 mph) in 14.9.* The key feature of the Powerkit is the optimized gas-flow characteristics on inlet and exhaust. This is achieved by means of a modified cylinderhead geometry. Other features include an aluminum intake manifold and revised exhaust manifolds with larger bores. Controlling it all is a specially uprated engine management system. The performance is matched by the sight and sound of the carbon-fiber air-filter housing.

Also included in the package is a sports exhaust system with matching sports tailpipes. All are designed for optimum throughput and therefore optimum engine performance. The exhaust system has two sound modes – normal and sport – which can be selected using a button in the cockpit.

Benefits for the driver include increased power over the entire engine speed range. The car is more responsive with a more exhilarating sound. In short: even more 911.

I posted a few power/torque plots below. The first one shows the comparison between the 997 and the 997S. AFAIK, the 997 motor is basically the same as the 996 motor.

The second plot shows the difference between the 997 S and the 997S with powerkit.

3. Ride Height: Theclub coupe with aerokit is extremely low, and it is difficult not to scrape the front lip spoiler all the time. I am resigned to view that part as disposable. I am sure I will have to replace it more than once over the life of the car, because there are times when you just cannot help but drag the nose entering and exiting ramps and parking lots. Not much you can do but cringe.

4. Completely Different Cars: Although at first glance you would think the 997 is just a restyle of the 996, I have the impression that every single piece has changed. It is a little eerie in that regard. Nothing in common with the 997 in terms of proportions, placement, shape, etc . . . This car is wider and a little shorter, and I need to get used to the new dimension.

5. I must mod the Porsche Sport Exhaust: Both my 996 and the club coupe were equipped from the factory with the Porsche Sport Exhaust. On the 996, the car was default loud, but you could quieten the exhaust by pressing a button on the dash, which I find extremely helpful when in the presence of police, grouchy neighbors, or significant others who do not find the same joy has you do in the glorious sound of a flat six. The club coupe is default quiet until you go into sport mode. Due to Swiss noise laws, both the 996 and 997 come from the factory with a noise "carve out" that causes the car to become quiet from about 20 mph until about 50 mph even when in the loud setting. I modified the relay on the 996 so that when it is in the loud mode, it is loud at every speed and rpm. I haven't had time to do that yet to the club coupe, and I want to do it asap. It is really annoying to hear the car loud at low speeds, and then hush when it accelerates until you hit about 5K rpm when it suddenly gets loud again. It sounds completely unnnatural. I know how to hack it, but I just haven't had the chance to do that yet.

6. The club coupe is an attention whore: The club coupe gets far, far more attention than the Targa did, even from people who do not realize it is a club coupe. Something about the aerokit and the color seem to make people notice it, and nearly all of the reaction has been positive. Seems to hold particular appeal for cougars, and I have been approached with propositions three times since Wednesday . . . no joke. Happened occasionally with the Targa, but nothing like this. :lol:

7. I will miss the Targa Top: I am finding it hard to get used to not having the light interior and the ability to open the top fully. The Targa really was a great daily driver. If they still offered the Targa in a C2 version (I don't want AWD), a C2 997 S Targa with the X51 power kit would be a fun daily driver. I guess I will have to settle with the club coupe since they don't make them . . . :twisted:

OK, well, I could write more but I have probably already bored you, so here is a cookie, er, picture:

Jazzbass
08-31-2007, 06:01 PM
Calling them "cougars" is wrong. Cougars like younger men, which your are not (sorry). I'd be more apt to use the term "golddigger".

TD in DC
08-31-2007, 06:04 PM
Calling them "cougars" is wrong. Cougars like younger men, which your are not (sorry). I'd be more apt to use the term "golddigger".

I'm younger than Manny :twisted:

One could have been a gold digger. I would qualify as a trophy "husband" to the other two if I were actually trophy worthy. :lol:

BTW, out of all of that description, the mention of cougar is what you pick up. Your focus says a lot about you. Here is what I imagine you saw: blah blah blah blah blah blah COUGAR blah blah blah blah blah Cookie mmmmm, damn, I'm hungry. ;)

forklift
08-31-2007, 06:07 PM
The same cougar that rode shotgun with Ricky Bobby?

Nice write up btw. Looking forward to seeing it on the track.

TD in DC
08-31-2007, 06:09 PM
Yes, but I prayed to 8 lb 9 1/2 oz baby jesus before letting her in so no foul consequences :lol:

racer
08-31-2007, 06:11 PM
How long till you stop saying "997S club coupe with X51 blah blah" and just call it a 997 or yikes.. a 911. ;)

Did you think a bright blue, spoiler ridden Porsche wouldn't be an attention whore? I would think once the "car seats" are installed, since you bought it to haul the family, that the attention may change. Enjoythough- Nice car!

Jazzbass
08-31-2007, 06:11 PM
I'm younger than Manny :twisted:

One could have been a gold digger. I would qualify as a trophy "husband" to the other two if I were actually trophy worthy. :lol:

BTW, out of all of that description, the mention of cougar is what you pick up. Your focus says a lot about you. Here is what I imagine you saw: blah blah blah blah blah blah COUGAR blah blah blah blah blah Cookie mmmmm, damn, I'm hungry. ;)
I focus on that which interests me, what can I say. I had some other comments like:

"OMFG - you sell your track car and you still find a way to post charts and graphs?!?!"

or

"You really think you can feel the difference between 295 and 306 ftlbs? Really? Call me skeptical here"

But I left them out because I didn't want to put your thread into the crapper with the first reply.

TD in DC
08-31-2007, 06:13 PM
Thanks. Post #7 seems to be about the right point with most threads around here.

And now, just for Racer, I need to go out and drive my 2007 #48 of 50 Porsche Club of America very special anniversary addition Azurro Blue Club Coupe 997S with X51 Power Kit and 997 design sport wheels and aerokit, and grey full leather interior with scraped front lip and . . . :lol:

Maybe I should list every option and every past car in my signature . . . with pictures and charts.

BlackTalon
08-31-2007, 06:24 PM
Frankly, I'm disappointed it took him a full week before he had charts to post. But then again, it probably took him a week to compose that write-up! :twisted: :p

87turbolook911
08-31-2007, 06:25 PM
don't forget color crested center capped.....

Ryan
08-31-2007, 06:57 PM
More charts please ... maybe comparing the Targa to the 997 in a cost vs female (or male...if you like tapping your feet in a public men's stall) attracting factor.

realroadrage
08-31-2007, 07:07 PM
Yeah, but it's no GT2. Ask 9Eleven....

VaSteve
08-31-2007, 07:23 PM
13*


* number of times TD typed out "club coupe" instead of 997 in the original post. ;)

Trak Ratt
08-31-2007, 07:50 PM
Calling them "cougars" is wrong. Cougars like younger men, which your are not (sorry). I'd be more apt to use the term "golddigger".
I focus on that which interests me, what can I say. I had some other comments like:
"OMFG - you sell your track car and you still find a way to post charts and graphs?!?!"
or
"You really think you can feel the difference between 295 and 306 ftlbs? Really? Call me skeptical here"
But I left them out because I didn't want to put your thread into the crapper with the first reply.
Pretty well sums it up for me too. Not being an older GT2 is a plus though.

TD in DC
08-31-2007, 09:36 PM
I really love you guys. :lol:

Rob in VA
08-31-2007, 11:58 PM
Todd, it's a good thing you didn't buy a cayman.
http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1164186366

Dan M2
09-03-2007, 06:04 PM
wow, tough crowd. Got me really laughing though. Nice car I enjoyed the write up.

--Dan

gweedo
09-03-2007, 07:01 PM
Congrats! Nice ride...be prepare to replace the spoiler lip often. I'm on my 3rd but I think the GT3 ride is lower. Enjoy. :D

TD in DC
09-03-2007, 07:55 PM
wow, tough crowd. Got me really laughing though. Nice car I enjoyed the write up.

--Dan

In the end, that is all that really matters. ;)

TD in DC
09-03-2007, 07:57 PM
Congrats! Nice ride...be prepare to replace the spoiler lip often. I'm on my 3rd but I think the GT3 ride is lower. Enjoy. :D

Thanks. I'll bet you a beer it is within an inch! :D

Seriously, though, I already have a pre-painted spare. I plan to use this one for daily driving purposes and the other one for runs to starbucks so that Mazda drivers will not call me ballless again, as well as for the occassional concourse. :Lol:

pjalexandre
09-11-2007, 11:02 PM
That is one sweet car. Is that the 997 GT3RS?

BlackTalon
09-11-2007, 11:07 PM
That is one sweet car. Is that the 997 GT3RS?Haha -- he wishes! :p

pjalexandre
09-11-2007, 11:13 PM
Oh, then it must be that x51 turbo option. :|

pjalexandre
09-11-2007, 11:14 PM
seriously it is pretty darn nice. I'de date that car ;)

Cliff Claven
09-11-2007, 11:14 PM
Very nice description, TD, of your new car. It must be very fulfilling to be so in love, albeit with a car.

BlackTalon
09-11-2007, 11:50 PM
Oh, then it must be that x51 turbo option. :|Nope -- not a turbo option. Just a couple dozen more ponies via some cool engine/ exhaust mods, and a beefier suspension.

HoodPin
09-12-2007, 07:13 AM
Frankly, I'm disappointed it took him a full week before he had charts to post. But then again, it probably took him a week to compose that write-up! :twisted: :p

Probably took him that long to figure out how to scan the charts from the owner's manual. ;)

pjalexandre
09-12-2007, 07:44 AM
OIC

So can we all fun too and make our sigs describe our cars in detail.

1999 996 C2 MK1 Aero Coupe with 04 GT3 suspension and 04 3.6 X51 engine. But I'll just call her LOLA for short ;) Wife came up with that name, first one that guesses gets a cold one of your choice at the next event :)

Jazzbass
09-12-2007, 09:48 AM
OIC

So can we all fun too and make our sigs describe our cars in detail.

1999 996 C2 MK1 Aero Coupe with 04 GT3 suspension and 04 3.6 X51 engine. But I'll just call her LOLA for short ;) Wife came up with that name, first one that guesses gets a cold one of your choice at the next event :)
:lol: Then we can all photoshop huge 500 x 300 graphics of our car with lightening and eagles and checked flags in the background. We can put those in our sig, too, like they have on all the ricer boards.

pjalexandre
09-12-2007, 09:52 AM
Damn man don't go giving me ideas

N Fotouhi
09-12-2007, 10:53 AM
TD,

I skipped your novel and just read the rest of the posts in response. I found them more entertaining.

BTW, is the car blue?

TD in DC
09-12-2007, 11:01 AM
God I love you guys.

Here is the cliff notes for the textually challenged: It is blue, fast and it handles well. I approve.

forklift
09-12-2007, 11:03 AM
How many cougars can it carry?

TD in DC
09-12-2007, 11:16 AM
ha ha. I wouldn't know: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7709902008625189249&q=rabanes+my+commanding+wife&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

I swear it gets more attention than any car I have ever driven in my life . . . surreal . . .

Mike W
09-12-2007, 12:29 PM
Here is the cliff notes for the textually challenged: It is blue, fast and it handles well. I approve.

Oh thank god... and it only took 13 days for it to be published. :twisted:

roundel
09-12-2007, 12:47 PM
:p

TD in DC
09-12-2007, 01:03 PM
owwww noooooeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssss

http://www.pugg.net/scott/roflcopter.gif

Rob in VA
09-12-2007, 01:45 PM
Nice RS Toddy.

TD in DC
09-12-2007, 02:14 PM
don't make me drop some OMG bombs.

N Fotouhi
09-12-2007, 02:57 PM
How many cougars can it carry?

TD,

I did not know you were into exotic pets.

LPM911
09-12-2007, 04:41 PM
How many cougars can it carry?

If only I had time to photoshop this:
http://www.danveres.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/bobby.jpg

-Lane

}{arlequin
09-17-2007, 03:44 PM
wow, tough crowd. Got me really laughing though. Nice car I enjoyed the write up.

--Dan
yeah, and we LIKE td....


edit: nice find lane!!